The following comes from a February 2 post by Joseph Sciambria on his blog, How Our Lord Jesus Christ Saved Me From Homosexuality, Pornography, and the Occult.
On February 13, 2016, the Rev. Vincent Pizzuto, Associate Professor of New Testament Studies at the University of San Francisco, Episcopal priest, and founder and vicar of New Skellig Christian Community, will speak at Most Holy Redeemer Catholic Church in the Castro District of San Francisco.
Pizzuto, who is openly “gay,” was raised a Roman Catholic, but left the Church over his disagreement with Magisterial teachings on homosexuality; Pizzuto is honest about his current aims: he recently described efforts to change the Church’s teachings as a “battle very much under way” and said that “the Bible, as we understand it really does not address current issues…what we need to change is not so much the scriptures, which of course we cannot change, but the interpretation that has been given to them.”
Over the years, Pizzuto has presided at same-sex weddings, and his published works —including “God Has Made it Plain to Them: An Indictment of Rome’s Hermeneutic of Homophobia,” in the Winter 2008 edition of Biblical Theology Bulletin—is explicitly critical of Catholic teachings.
In a discussion, “Is it Ethical to be Catholic? – Queer Perspectives,” given at Most Holy Redeemer Church in San Francisco in 2006, Pizzuto said that ethical questions have “driven faithful Catholics beyond the confines of the Roman church where they might more faithfully live out their catholic faith elsewhere. And I count myself among them.”
He continued: “On this at least (homosexuality) the teaching authority of the Church is given no credence by so many gay men and lesbians because it does not demonstrate its own credibility. To the contrary, its teachings on homosexuality are so disengaged from reality as to render them utterly ridiculous.”
According to his Church’s website, under the header ‘The Celtic Christian Church/Supporting Document on Homosexuality’, Pizzutio writes:
“The recognition of the nature of ‘sexual orientation,’ arrived at through modern sciences, confirms the falsity of these ancient cultural presumptions hinted at within [Paul’s statements in Rom 1:26-27], and conversely, suggests a surprising affirmation for the homosexual community. Namely, that homosexuals are ethically bound not to act contrary to their nature as homosexuals. Or, to state this more positively, the ethics of homosexuality begins with an honest recognition, admission and integration of one’s God-given homosexual orientation, and results in a life lived in gratitude for, and loving expression of one’s sexuality.”
To contact the Archdiocese of San Francisco about the Reverend Pizzuto being given a teaching forum in a Catholic parish: Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, 415-614-5500.
How long, O Lord, how long? How much longer do we have to listen to these fools spout out nonsense and utter garbage, with no one trying to silence them. Why does Archbishop Cordieleone allow this blasphemy to occur in a ‘Catholic’ church? Why is this crackpot teaching at a Jesuit institution? What is going on? Chaos, utter chaos.
Overwhelm the Bishops office with calls and tell him cancel the talk at MHR
Given his self-stated views, Mr. Pizzuto has been hired by a Catholic university to teach Catholic students—in theology courses—interpretations of Holy Scripture which the Catholic Church holds to be contrary to the Faith. How can this be? Does Archbishop Cordileone know about this?
How different from the response of Wheaton College, which is now investigating whether Professor Hawkins should be fired for saying that Muslims and Christians worship the same God.
Mr. Pizzuto has got at least three strikes against him. He is “gay” which means that he is in a state of mortal sin, he has left the True Church which means that he is apostate and he is teaching falsehood, all of the things that make him both unworthy and unqualified as a teacher of the faithful. The Catholic Churchs’ stand on homosexuality and the fate of homosexuals is the scriptural position on the subject and does not need “overhaul” simply because it is correct, Pope Francis notwithstanding.
In response to Rowan Orre, I submit that the anatomy of one’s sexual partner is VITALLY important, mainly because the gender of the partners is ordained by God Almighty and, if you have not noticed, the parts only fit properly one way. I am sure that God was not mistaken when He created the design. Pay attention, anything different is wrong.
Correct, “schismatic” is too weak a description of this troubled and troubling individual. Even heretic seems weak. Apostate is more accurate. Pray for the conversion of Mr. Pizzuto. Who knows who might come to the Lord’s mercy during this Year of Mercy? And, those of you in the archdiocese of San Francisco might want to make sure your bishop, shepherd and pastor, knows about this most misleading and unfortunate situation. Talk with your parish priests about this as well. Lord, have mercy on us all.
Thank you, Deacon Craig; I need to pray, sacrifice and fast. Your response is charitable and your love of the Church and your vocation obvious. It seems that this acceptance of homosexuality would not have occurred without the sin of contraception being widely accepted and practiced. The medical community, culture and many in the Church have been complicit. Jesus, Mary, Joseph, we love you, save souls.
Anyone else hear a ‘sizzling sound’ while reading this stuff? Surely demonic.
The Archbishop does know about this. However, in the post-Vatican II era, a bishop no longer has direct control over Catholic parishes and institutions, that are in his diocese! There is a general, iron-clad Vatican II rule– “let everyone make their own decisions, and do not “boss” people any more, because it is abusive.” I have never liked this situation, of Vatican II!! It is very “anti-authority,” which many are totally happy about, especially those severely abused, prior to Vatican II. However– this method of “non-governance,” is also very anarchic, dangerous, and ultimately destructive!
Nonsense….a bishop ABSOLUTELY has direct control over all educational and religious institutions, including parishes, Linda..
FrankieB– No, sadly, the Fathers of Vatican II forbade this, in favor of allowing each institution to make their own decisions! Church governance was abandoned, starting right after the close of the Council, in 1965! That is why Abp. Cordileone has no power, over the institutions in his Archdiocese, any longer! His only power, would be the “power of persuasion!” That is all! Poor Bishop D’Arcy (now deceased) likewise, had no power, in the post-Vatican II era– to stop Notre Dame University, from having Pres. Obama, as their keynote speaker for their 2009 graduation ceremonies, and giving him a big award! Very tragic!
Pray for his tortured soul that Christ free him from his obsessions, and grant him liberty in his mind, heart, and will, and real peace in his soul.
Yet another challenge flung at Abp Cordeleone. I am not holding my breath since it was the Archbishop who praised his MHR experience as “tenderizing.”
We are all aware of a certain individual with a love of the telephone who should be dialing up as I write. Will he? Doubtful.
Deacon Anderson says it well. This heretic has no place in a Catholic University or in a Catholic Parish to proclaim this nonsense. Deacon Vince
Hopefully the archbishop knows what he is doing. He is acting Catholic in the most true sense. He is acting like a Christian Catholic. All the nay-sayers, I say unto you: Study the Gospel. Study the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Study the Documents of Vatican II. Listen to Pope Francis.
Letty, the teachings of the Catholic Church state that homosexual activity is “intrinsically disordered” and intrinsically evil.
What part of “intrinsically” do you not understand ?
It is this kind of garbage that is pushing me and mine back to the Society of St. Pius X. I really had hopes that Bishops like Abp. Cordileone would finally take a firm grasp and begin to rule their diocese as they should, but I guess I am once again disappointed. Did the wonderful V2 emasculate our Bishops? It certainly appears that it did turn them all into paper tigers. God help us all.
Dear all, I take issue with your lack of Christian response. Dr. Pizzuto was my professor of Christian Spirituality at the University of San Francisco and was superb in all areas. The Church’s teaching on homosexuality needs an overhaul on so many levels. It is part of our call to inform our conscience that opens us to discuss the very issues Dr. Pizzuto is naming. Our primary aim should always be what Jesus taught – Love of God and Love of Neighbor – as explained in John 13:33-35, Matthew 22:35-40, Mark 12:28-31, & Luke 10:25-28. Your comments here lack both in fundamental ways. Perhaps you can start by a real Christian response by engaging in dialogue with Dr/Father Vincent Pizzuto.
Given Pope Francis’ call to see our common ground…
thank you for your comment. I keep asking “When will Christians stop persecuting people in love based on the anatomy of the people in love?” And so I offer the following prayer:
Please Deliver Us
from hate done in the name of God’s Love
from exclusion done in the name of God’s Truth
from persecution done in the name of God’s Kindness
and from injustice done in the name of The-Time-Is-Not-Yet-Right.
thank you for your time
In other words, rowan: “Dear God, make all to see, as I have, that there is no objective right or wrong; everything is morally right if I just want it enough.”
An A+ for sentimentality and a D in moral reasoning.
I believe that love is a gift from God, and a very precious one. And I believe that discrimination based on anatomy is an evil created by human beings. And my morals are very firm and quite well “reasoned”.
We discriminate every day, rowan. Rain is a gift from God and so is snow and so is sun. But we must act differently in accordance with the diversity of these gifts. Sending one’s children out in shorts and a t-shirt in the snow could be sinful, especially if one’s charge sickens and dies needlessly. (…for lack of proper understanding/instruction.)
The reproductive system is for the chief purpose of reproduction. To deny that and willfully misuse something leads to unanticipated consequences…. the disease rate among those who misuse the procreative faculties is outrageous. Kind of like the accident rate among those who don’t accept the reality that drinking while drunk is dangerous is far higher than those who use the road…
……properly in accordance with the vehicle handbook and the rules of the road.
It’s really that simple.
Your post makes clear that your moral views are very firm. But “quite well-reasoned”? How so? Merely stating that “x is true” without giving intellectual support isn’t very helpful. At any rate, your morals conflict directly with what the Catholic Church teaches.
Speaking of Christian charity—you would presume to judge others’ spiritual worthiness? And I stand behind my previous comments as one who takes my Catholic faith seriously, and expects a Catholic university to do likewise.
the post immediately above was addressed to Bill Haardt.
“…And I stand behind my previous comments as one who takes my Catholic faith seriously, and expects a Catholic university to do likewise.”
The reality that you would have to express the desire for “Catholic” universities to take the Faith seriously, caritas, is precisely why your extolling the credentials of theologians is somewhat hypocritical. One needs to not assume that the Catholic brand is consistently Catholic. Look at the classes and theories being taught, even at seminaries, my friend.
This is why your base dismissal of those who rightfully call into question the background of say – Bishop Barron – is wholly inconsistent with the position you just expressed here.
We only know what we are taught, friend. And there…
… are those who operate under the banner of Catholic who are actively teaching that which is novel or that which is, in truth, ages old – heresy and confusing speculation.
Think twice before you disparage other groups, and try looking to the Truth spoken. That is what we are cleaving to, caritas.
Ann, you’re beating the same old drum again: theological learning and expertise lead to dilution of the Faith, whose defense should be left to self-appointed seers without theological knowledge. I have never written that no trained theologian ever strays from the truth. Suggesting that I believe this is your favorite smokescreen, designed to obscure the fact that there IS a mechanism in place to correct erring theologians. What you can’t seem to grasp (nor accept) is that such correction is properly left to the Church’s Magisterium—and not to the self-appointed.
….just because you cannot, or refuse to gain knowledge by self appointed reading – as in the material that is out there – doesn’t mean there’s any clairvoyance going on. But again, no ESP is required to pick up on your comfort zone of playing blind man, pretending you need the magisterium to tell you that the seamless garment ‘theory’ was off.
Suggesting that we all are incapable of seeing reality until the Magisterium tells us that the light is green is childish – and something that completely turns people off of the idea of becoming Catholic. I’m really glad the safety of me and mine is not in your hands.
But your false advertisement of what obedience dictates helps nobody.
Dear Bill Haardt,
Thank you, for your desire to show compassion regarding Dr. Pizzuto I am writing with a sincere desire to show you the same mercy that Pope Francis speaks about. Many in the world are confused. You, have also shown, that you have been misguided. Many, like you, prefer to use only one part of the sentence known as the “Who Am i to Judge, sound bite”. This is why public statements should be so well thought out before misguided souls or lobbyists grab ahold of just one part of a sentence and omit the rest. Omitting words changes meanings and you see the genuine concern here on CCD because many souls are at stake. Your’s too. Everyone here has the sincere desire for Dr. Pizzuto to repent and gain Eternal Life…
Bill Haardt. Church teaching on homosexuality will NEVER change because God gave Peter the Magisterial Keys to the Kingdom and God does not turn on Himself. The issue at hand is not judging Dr. Pizzutto’s soul. Almighty God is the only one who may judge souls. The issue here is the rightful judging of the public lobbying actions of Dr. Pizzutto. His actions run contrary to Church Teaching. Pope Francis said in that same sentence that “lobbies are not good. They are bad”. Pope Francis is correct in stating that lobbies are bad. Many in the media are ignoring that part in the sentence that you quote. Perhaps, you missed it too. Would you ever leave out the word “NOT” when Our Lord said, “Be Not Afraid”! We must all pick up our cross!
Bill Hardt you know you are right the Church’s ie Christ’s laws on incest and bestiality also need to go after all they were all born that way and who are we to judge…
Mortal sin (yes that exists) is not common ground.
Informing one’s conscience is the sophistry of Satan, Bill. It’s called determining for oneself what is right and wrong. It is listening to another source besides God who knew, even in biblical times, what is the truth regarding His creation.
Thanks for including the beautiful flyer my husband, Oliver created for this talk! MHR welcomes Rev. Pizzuto back to speak about “Embodying Christ: Incarnating Scriptures and the Contemplative Life”. This topic is appropriate at any Catholic Church in the US. As noted, Rev. Pizzuto is a faculty member at the University of SF – a premier Jesuit University. No one at MHR cares about the opinions of Cal-Catholic which has repeatedly espoused an ultra-conservative Catholic agenda.
MHRJim you will care about Christ’s opinion when face Him at the judgment seat…
Canisius, I believe in a loving God not a judgmental God. And, I don’t believe in judging other people as you do. Please concentrate on your salvation and I will concentrate on mine.
God IS loving MHRJim. That is why He communicated Himself to us, to include letting us know of those things that would lead to our ruin. It is not His judgement that we need fear, but our own dismissal in judging what He died to give us as not worthy of our attention that leads to our downfall.
Well MHRJim like most poisoned modernist God’s judgment walks hand in hand with His Mercy.. if you deny that you will be judge at the moment of your death, you really have no understanding of Catholicism,, and Christ spoke more about Hell and damnation then he ever did about heaven… I suggest a refresher course ASAP…I do proudly judge people, for I am not going to be conned by this corrupt culture, if I see something immoral I will call it out.,..
Of course MHRJim you do not believe in a “judgmental’ God because that would force you to examine your conscience and you might come to the realization that your false marriage to your boyfriend or whatever is an affront to God, and if you actually cared about your souls salvation it would force you to make some painful changes in your life
MHRJim revealingly writes: ” No one at MHR cares about the opinions of Cal-Catholic which has repeatedly espoused an ultra-conservative Catholic agenda.” = Translation = Without realizing his own words, MHRJim just let the entire blogosphere know how he “repeatedly” checks the opinions on CCD’s website. When you don’t care about something, you simply don’t care and don’t “repeatedly” visit the something that you claim to not “repeatedly” care about. The moral of the story: Jim knows the actions that repeatedly constitute a mortal sin and that is why he repeatedly looks for any opinions that justify his repeated rejection of God’s natural law. God bless CCD for caring about Jim.
Sorry to Inform you I have much better things to do daily than visit Cal-Catholic website. How did I know about this silly article? I set up a Google Alert for Most Holy Redeemer. From this alert, I get messages about our parish and other parishes around the country named Most Holy Redeemer. So simple. The more important question is why Cal-Catholic is “trolling” MHR’s website? I guess it was a dull day in the ultra- conservative world OR they are using Google Alerts as well. And, Catherine, please worry about your salvation and I will worry about mind.
…and your interest in searching out MHR news articles is so you can keep tabs on what is being said about the parish. Perhaps counter what is reported. You’re ‘worried’ or, at least, concerned enough about public opinion that you engage in image management.
That is precisely why believing Catholics counter the bad messages that are erroneously conflated with Catholic teaching, Jim. You know this. It’s a necessary job as brothers and sisters in Christ should be concerned with each other’s salvation.
Beautifully and very mercifully stated Ann Malley!
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I think the word is “flaunt”, Canisius..
Canisius, you are right. When my cousin realized that he would soon face Almighty God he repented because he cared about God’s opinion. I’ve written before about my cousin Robert who died from AIDS. I believe it was the many years of rosaries, that were prayed for Robert, that helped him to finally make things right with God. Our Lady is such a good mother and friend to those who entrust their loved ones to her maternal care. Our Lady never forgets her children prayers. I’ve written before that my cousin was baptized just two months before he died. Right before he died he opened his eyes, looked up towards the ceiling and said , “Who is the beautiful lady?” God’s Mercy is always attainable when we sincerely care about His opinion.
Opinions aren’t what matters, MHRJim. Truth is what matters. That’s why the gathering of objectively erroneous opinion at MHR, the very same that would confirm you in error, is of no importance.
Thank you again for highlighting the rot at what was once a “Premier Jesuit University.” Hopefully, those like caritas will understand in future that giving carte blanche to the brand of higher learning and/or Catholic theology only aids in the dissemination of gross error/perversion.
Ann—I’m not giving USF or any erring theologian “carte blanche”, and never posted anything to that effect. I merely point out that it is the Church’s Magisterium which has the sole authority to determine the presence of theological error and to take corrective measures. Such an important task has not been left to self-appointed theological semi-illiterates.
One more thing, Ann. In your 5 Feb post at 8:45 a.m., you mention me in a post addressed to MHRJim. Please have the courtesy not to refer to me except in posts addressed to me. Thank you.
Caritas, the Church’s magisterium needs to be faithful to itself. You extol it. That’s wonderful. We need to understand, however, that that which is ambiguous or in conflict with what has come before is not binding. It is rather confusing and potentially damaging. So having respect for the magisterium can translate into being highly concerned that that integrity is upheld.
My response to your request is, no. You set an interesting example here, caritas. If you don’t like my referencing your position, you may want to read more so that you don’t misuse terms like “literate”. That is the extend of the courtesy I can extend you in light of the ideological confusion you sow.
My request was simple. Comment on my posts to your heart’s content, but, please, in posts addressed TO me and not ABOUT me. Common courtesy, I suggest.
My answer to you was simple, Caritas. No. I suggest you brush up on your reading skills. As for your assessment of what constitutes common courtesy, I’ll pass, especially as you break form with predictable regularity. Be the change you want to see, caritas. Set the example and perhaps others will follow. Until then, clang on….
Mt 17:21: ‘this kind goes not out but by prayer and fasting’, said Jesus to his disciples after they found themselves unable to cast out a tenacious demon. silent prayer presence close to or inside the venue of darkness will likely do more good than we know. if you can’t be there, mark the time of the event and prayer from where you are that the demonic doctrines espoused have no effect on the audience and that mr pizzuto come into alignment with the right path of the new israel.
Their Sexual Proclivities Are Killing Them
It is clear from their relatively tiny numbers—only a few million in a total population of 318,000,000—that men who have sex with men (MSM)* are not “everywhere” as MSM insist they are.
It is also clear from their sexual activities, particularly related to anal sex, that their sexual practices also set them apart from the normal population.
MSM have wanted desperately to shield the normal population from the reality of their sordid lives and one reason is they do not want us to know how disease ridden is their “community.”
Their sexual proclivities are costing the rest of us billions…
Rev Pizzuto is not a “schismatic” priest, he is an Episcopalian priest. The Episcopal Church is a sacramental church whose worship is centered on the liturgy of the eucharist (communion), and it also believes in the tenet of respecting Christ in all persons and so explicitly is against discrimination based on anatomy, whether it be race or gender. And so in the Episcopal Church there are priests of various races, both men and women are priests and at all levels (including bishops), and does not require that priests be unmarried, and also does not discriminate concerning the anatomy of two people in love who wish to take the sacrament of marriage. All of the above, regarding gender and marriage, of course, is different than the Roman…
Uh.. yes he is. the so called Episcopalian “church” deny the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, they accept all perverts to wear their sin as mark of honor, they reject the Cross as a mean of salvation, they are more concerned with rights of sodomites than getting souls to heaven..
The man is not a priest as the orders for Episcopalians are invalid according to previous statements from Rome. Why is this person teaching at a Catholic school?
Will the Diocese have to reimburse this bozo for the spray paint needed to tag swastikas on MHR as a sign of ‘tolerance’?
Most Holy Redeemer parishioners force removal of Benedict picture
– Note the parade of non-Catholic and anti-Catholic speakers at Most Holy Redeemer…. Whatever their denomination, what they have in common is the celebration of homosexuality.
Such speakers include Father Godfrey himself; the Reverend Vincent Pizzuto, who left the Catholic Church to be ordained in a church that performs same-sex “weddings”…
Note the hosting (now apparently discontinued) over a period of years of the anti-Catholic Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, or of the actually sado-masochistic…
Christian charity is not the same thing, as well-meaning, but not Christ-centered, charity, of the “fallen” pagan world! There is a big difference! Christian charity is NOT centered on mankind– it is selfless charity, given in Christ’s Name, for His purposes, only! One thinks also, of the seven Corporal and seven Spiritual Works of Mercy–among the Spiritual Works of Mercy, are to “counsel the doubtful,” and to “admonish the sinner.” (We are now in the Holy Father’s Year of Mercy!) To follow Christ, one lives in the world– but one is not of the world! One must leave behind the world, and worldly ideas, and follow only Christ– and be a witness for His teachings, always! I will continue…
The Love of Christ, is Divine, and NON-PERONAL!! It is not meant to serve the human ego, for one’s own particular human wishes, whims, ideas, and needs! God’s Love serves God, and His interests, only! We are to see the Christ in one another– not see what we want to see, for ourselves! Just Christ! And to serve Christ only! Ideally, even in the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony– the Catholic couple is guided by Christ to do this, and “I must diminish, while He must increase,” as St. Paul says! In the end– the couple serves only Christ, in each other, leaving all personal ego behind (if you become a Saint!)!! “Whatsoever you do, to the least of My brothers..” I will continue…
Sorry, but I typed too fast, as there is not much time– nor space!– for writing these posts! In my first sentence, in the above post, the word NON-PERSONAL is misspelled! Many in the Church, since Vatican II— while embracing humanism, well-meaningly– have forgotten, that God is not human, He is a Spirit, and He is IMPERSONAL!! His Divine Love for us, is NOT like human love, which is ego-based, and revolves around human tastes, whims, desires, and needs! God’s Impersonal Love, is Divine, and very different!!
I will finish. Christ calls us all to CHASTITY, according to our state in life. (Not just priests and nuns!) For married couples, that means, that they are to vow their hearts and their eyes and their flesh, only to one another, for God’s purposes, for life. The unmarried must be completely CHASTE, until Marriage! NEVER follow the “world, the flesh, and the Devil” –nor your own will, nor your own ego! It will lead, eventually, to DEATH!! The “LGBT’s” have a SERIOUS ILLNESS! They are HANDICAPPED!! They need our prayers, and our kindness, love, and goodwill!! It is the priest’s responsibility, to guide them to Christ, Who alone can help them! But they must SUBMIT TO CHRIST!!
Holy Matrimony is a vocation. But not all people are called by God, to this vocation! Even if they want it so much! Life here on earth, is not stable, nor reliable. It is also brief, and transitory! God does want for us to be happy, and it is only in faithfully following Him, that we will truly find happiness! Most of all, He wants to give us Eternal Happiness, in Heaven! One must be patient, if one is not called to Holy Matrimony! God has other plans, and His plans are ALL-GOOD!! If we are faithful to God, and very lovingly obedient– God will truly surprise us, eventually– with total happiness, beyond our wildest dreams!
Long ago, I knew of a few people, who were tragically “jilted,” as their fiancés broke their engagements– marrying someone else! I also know of a couple of cases of heart-breaking infidelity, broken marriages– and in one case, someone who bribed a priest, for a false annulment, and then, married his lover! I also know of heart-breaking cases, in which a fiancé died, and was mourned for, ever after! Long, long ago, even my mom, as a teen, broke up with her boyfriend, who was deeply in love with her– and she fell in love with, and married, my father! Human love is not always fair! But we can always trust God’s Love, which is 100% reliable, and will never fail us– and will lead us to Heaven!
It used to be understood, that a fine young man, of any religion– would never seek his own self-interest, on a date, and would always seek the highest and best, for the girl he asked out! He would never place a girl in any risky situation, nor possibly cause damage, to her reputation! And True Love always meant, he desired only her highest good, her true happiness! Our Church taught the truth– sexual sins are MORTAL SINS!! Sex is a responsibility, and belongs only in Marriage! Be responsible, and always SERVE GOD, never your own selfish lusts of the flesh! For “LGBT’S,” likewise– if you say you “love” someone, set aside your selfish, disordered lusts of the flesh– and serve only God!
Oh, good grief, here we go again with some deluded person trying to tell us green is orange, a rabbit is a horse and a man is a woman, even though everyone knows the plumbing does not work on two men or two women, and there is no way one can bring a child into the world with two men or two women, and sodomy causes serious damage to the body eventually. How long, oh Lord, how long do with have to put up with this when even a child can tell the emperor has no clothes on.
I bet that if Bishop Fellay or another priest of the SSPX were to try to speak at a parish in the Archdiocese of San Francisco, all hell would break loose. This just proves that the diabolical disorientation is realty taking hold on the Church. When evil is condoned as good, and being conservative and traditional are judged as being horrible, it certainly proves that a lot is rotten in the state of Vatican City.
…no doubt,Pilar. That said, there are those who would defend the proper authority’s ‘right’ to starve and/or poison the sheep without a single bleat. This is not to deny the virtue of obedience or to deny the reality that authority does come from God. But the misuse of authority does not come from God, rather it is a rejection of responsibility and truth. It is a betrayal of Christ.
I’ve personally had it, especially in light of the rampant examples of poor and/or zero judgement being engaged from Church leaders, with those who, were they at the crucifixion, may well have been upset with Our Lord’s crucifixion, it’s being bloody and all that, but for all intents and purposes applauded the exercise of authority. As if that is…
…. end in itself. Problem solved.
That is why so many folks will decry the absurdity of fasting and abstinence when done for the purpose of learning self control and honoring Our Lord, but dangle a Bali vacation in front of them and they’re all about self-deprivation because, well, you don’t expect me to put on a bathing suit in public until I drop 20 lbs ;^)
This extolling authority for authority sake has got to stop.
I have heard of entire groups of talented gays, doing work in relation to the Church– have all completely disappeared– they all died of AIDS! One of the biggest teachings of our Church, is CHASTITY!! Can’t LGBT’s possibly abide in Christ’s Love, and practice CHASTITY, as He said?? There have been many successful stories, of AA group members, who have been completely sober, for a great many years, never again touching alcohol! Can’t the group “Courage,” help the LGBT’s, to do likewise?? For the rest of their lives– practice CHASTITY??