The following was posted by Michael Brown on the Town Hall blog August 2.
Two months ago, I wrote, “As of today, it is legal in California to give hormone blockers to an 11 year-old boy in order to delay the onset of puberty, but it could soon be illegal for a 17 year-old with unwanted same-sex attractions to receive professional counseling, even with parental consent.”
Now, California Senator Ted Lieu, has removed any doubt as to why he introduced Senate Bill 1172: “The attack on parental rights is exactly the whole point of the bill because we don’t want to let parents harm their children.”
This is an absolute outrage, and every parent in California needs to contact their senators and urge them to vote against this ridiculous and wrong-headed bill.
Senator Lieu, who is married with children, said “he got the idea for the bill after seeing a television special last fall about adults who had gone through this kind of therapy as children.
He said he was struck by their description of traumatic experiences, confusion, depression and suicidal thoughts.” And so Lieu has now appointed himself the guardian of the children of California, the arbiter of what is best for them, and the ward over the parents of his state.
If this is not an example of egregious government overreach, nothing is.
For those unfamiliar with SB 1172, it is an unprecedented bill that “would ban sexual orientation conversion therapy for California minors—even if they or their parents want it.”
It would also make it very difficult for an adult with unwanted same-sex attractions to receive professional counseling, since the counselor would have to inform the client that the counseling does not work and that it could cause harm. How encouraging! [Update: The informed adult consent part of the bill has been dropped — a small step in the right direction.]
The bill has the enthusiastic support of gay activist organizations and gay politicians, and it is making its way through the Legislature with almost total Democratic backing.
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They want to undermine parents because they want our children. Perverts! They just have to treat all parents equal, as if all parents want to harm their children. They are evil and this state has got to wake up and stop this attack on parents and stop the indoctrination of the gay agenda on our children!
How about ” How do we protect our children from government officials and their laws, we don’t want them to harm our children!”
Only 1/2 of the self described Christians vote.
sad but I also know that Jehovah’ s witness do not help fight the good fight, I think they stay away from voting.
for the record Jehovah’s witness are not Christian, they are a cult!
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not get involved in politics because it is “of the world.”
Dr. Jennifer Morse shows how this is at the heart of the government’s agitations about defining any combination of biologically unrelated adults as ‘parents’, in the Diocese of Sacramento’s 4 part video series ‘Same Sex Marriage Why Not?’ The biologically intact family has been in the crosshairs of cultural marxists, in our time the Frankfurt School, but ultimately as far back as Friedrich Engels.
How anyone who calls themselves Catholic, including most of the Bishops, can in good conscience remain a member to the “Party of Death” is beyond understanding. One wonders how they will explain that to God on their judgement day!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Everything God made has a purpose, and He gave a great deal of control to us so that we can handle the nuts and bolts. With so many nuts in California resisting control, I am thankful that it is possible to bolt.
hmmmm your post gives some confusion? Are you for or against this bill?
This is the end-point of the process that began when the state got control over education. It appears insane because it is, and it’s also insane to let the state dumb your kids down in their schools. As long as you parents allow the state to make decisions regarding your children, you will slowly but surely cede your parental rights. Just say no. Don’t allow it.
This poor man shouldn’t even have tv viewing rights, let alone holding an elected office where his questionable judgment has the possibility of influencing society at large.
Yes, Dana, he probably thinks it is all right to tear apart and burn to death from saline a child in the womb, but God forbid that parents should be able to protect any of their children or grandchildren from this. It is clear that the patients have taken over the asylum in California.
” we don’t want to let parents harm their children.” Every dictator’s rule for getting control of future generations.Hitler,Stalin,did it for the good of the children.Parental rights are under attack all over our country and they must be defended and upheld. Yes,to protect our children from every tin horn junior dictator .
The arrogance of this Senator should qualify him to become the equivalent of a senator in China. No doubt, after watching a one sided TV program, he sees nothing wrong with the state imposing their immorality of thought control and legislating total control of families against the Constitution of the United States. This flunky of the fanatical gay bunch was even considered as a candidate to the US Supreme Court.
The bad news for California is, in lieu of moral sanity, Mr. Lieu and other California twisted lawmakers are legislating heap loads of perverse and immoral insanity. This is why the Chick-fil-A lines were record breaking. California lawmakers are riding on a bullet train to hell. The good news is found in Romans 5:20…”Where sin abounded grace did more abound.” Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible.
Hopefully more states will follow suit.
peter-how is depriving someone of help benefit a person, especially if that person wants the help? You really don’t see something wrong with this?
Anonymous you do bring up an excellent point. This law really is not logical nor is it what our great country is all about. Our founding fathers are most likely disappointed, they fought for our freedom and now these few “who obviously must hate their parents or something” have neglected and are abusing their power to pass a law that undermine parents and even disallow a child to seek that help.
I have an idea, we need a law that will protect the American people too from too much power from politicians, they harm families and they need to be imprisoned for suggesting such laws as this one!
Imprisoned for suggesting a law? I think that’s illegal.
…unless, of course, they make a law to make it legal to imprision people for suggesting laws…
hey max that is soo true, after all, the way this country is going, they have been breaking the Constitution, so now it seems that anything goes.
No for imposing it on parents…..suggesting is one thing but stripping parents from their rights is down right evil!
“Imprisoned for suggesting a law? I think that’s illegal.” Not for long, if Obama gets re-elected.
I don’t think they mean imprisoned rather institutionalized for insanity.
Louie lol you do bring up another good point…yes that too.
Abeca Christian, I am sorry. I just saw your post that said you hadn’t been the same since a traumatic miscarriage a couple of years ago. I know that blood loss and trauma can affect a person for sometimes 10 years. I hope you heal and I can understand now why you would post something like you did.
q thank you for your sympathy but actually, I have always been a huge advocate on fundamental parental rights. Also knowing how Hitler ran his country during his time, I get concerned that our country would adapt some of his tactics to gain control of our families. After all, most parents are good parents who seek to do right by God and their children, there is that love bond. The law makers didn’t give birth to our children, not all parents are bad, the mentality with these laws is that they place all parents in the category of assuming that they are all bad. There is a danger to that. It amounts to no good.
Bad law and bad sociology. Parnets do need some rights to work with their children on this issue; even so, the cooperation of the child is paramount. If the child has no interest in “changing” the effort is a waste of time and money.
that said, child abuse is a very seriouis problem in Catholic families. Children are beaten, shamed, molested, and humiliiated, all in God’s name. Sadly, the more authoriatian religious the parents, the more likely they are to hit their children. Protections for children need to be ramped up, but no Sen Lieu’s bad law.
yes good cause you bring up a great point, if a child is not open to work with their parents, then it is useless but it’s sure nice to allow parents that fundamental right to care for their child and try. But I disagree with you about labeling Catholic families beating their children! Usually the more devout they are, the more loving they are and more compassionate, it is the lukewarm or even the most neglectful in their faith formation that are most abusive. I don’t think you have your views correct on that part but you are correct to consider this law a bad one. The truth of the matter is that most parents do care for their children and they are larger in number than the abuse cases you mention!
I live in Texas but read the Cal-Catholic. I feel sorry for you people in California. This kind of outrage perpertrated on the parents of California will not cease until these lawmakers are driven from office. How were they ever elected in the first place?
alan yea I feel sorry for us too….whew
Alan, quite often people do not have a clue as to what is going on and are just happy to take the goodies — federal programs, food stamps, etc. that are offered without any expectations and really do not care about abortion and close their minds as to what homosexual sexual relations really, really are. You know, “See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil as Christ says, “They have ears and hear not and eyes and see not.” Many of the heterosexuals are involved in so much “stuff”, too, that they can hardly complain about homosexual sex lest they condemn themselves — you know drug use, multiple marriages, affairs and an endless amount of other sins. Some people “church hop” just so they can remarry and not follow any rules. Sorry folks, but that is just the way I see it, even if it makes Archbishop Dolan think I am “cranky”.
Add to all that that many Californians are into the occult, such as astrology. When one gives up the true God one seems to turn to anything to fill the vacuum as St. Augustine so correctly stated, so instead of following Biblical principles, they turn to astrology. Such fradulent things were once illegal in this state for the most part but are now the fad. Many turn to astrology and spiritism when they have a relative die who has not lived a very good life instead of praying for them or asking the true Saints to pray for them, they turn to spiritualists who supposedly call them up from the dead. When I asked one woman how she knew if they were calling up demonic spirits or the real dead, she got very angry with me. It is rampamt in our public schools even among many of the teachers and other school workers. One such person was telling me Uri Geller was a “real” phycic and got angry when I told her how he did his spoon and stage tricks. I had learned how he did his tricks from a book written by a stage magician who KNEW how he did them. Plus, we get all the out of state people who come here for their “freedoms”, which to many mean the right to do just about anything, any time, any place.
With any issue dealing with unruly children, or children born with autism or children in using drugs, gangsters or with any issues pertaining our children, it is a very personal thing, a parent has the right to all sort of resources and support but never any laws that undermine their authority. It’s common sense. It hard enough when parents have to come to the realization that their child has chosen a path away from God, but it gets worst when government thinks they know better. With so many different upbringings and values, even the government officials, all have different views on how to deal with things but ultimately it is in the parents best interest to deal and loving take care of their own children, which most good parents do anyhow. Most good parents always want to do right by their children…it’s foolish to assume different!
Now that we know that this is trying to sneak in, please I urge many to make your voice be heard! If we have the resources to make a difference, lets try to stop this monster of a law from those who have specific agenda driven reason to have it through!
These laws are criminal and unconstitutional!
Just because this man hates his parents doesn’t mean that all people hate their parents! In California a lot of people are democrats and actually are gay friendly, so he is just trying to strip the rights of the few decent parents who actually do care. Even the liberals love their children even in worldly views and ways but doesn’t mean that they are all decent.
Abeca Christian – Children don’t choose their sexuality. Many parents don’t understand that. This law is good in that it protects children from the harms of ignorant parenting. What’s unfortunate is that it’s necessary in this day and age.
peter says, “Children don’t choose their sexuality.” God says, “Peter you are choosing hell.”
Exactly Catherine….the question to these homosexuals is “WHO do you love more? Jesus or Homosexuality!”. If they don’t choose Jesus, well I’m afraid they have chosen their destiny.
peter what you say is not proven and incorrect, The fact is when I use to reach out to homosexuals, we knew several who left that lifestyle and we also knew of youth who were molested and that lifestyle was imposed upon them, the drugs probably didn’t help either.
One of my neighbors told me he was “a little homosexual” when he was a young criminal. He gave it up before getting out of prison over twenty years ago, and has led a Christ centered Evangelical life since then. If he had been in a Catholic parish when he decided to give it up, then he may not have been able to with the perverse influence that PA trumpets all the time.
peter: Regardless of where the homosexual orientation begins, the fact of the matter is a person chooses to live the lifestyle. This is something you cannot deny. If a man desires to have sexual relations with a woman, he has to make a decision to follow his desire(s). A person with same sex attraction has the freewill and ability to choose whether or not to live the homosexual lifestyle and to engage in that behavior. God Love You.
peter is like saying that children choose to be molested. Come on, your views are not backed up.
Let us face it. Homosexual sex is just a filthy, filthy habit when carried through. There is no way to get around it. If one is constantly being reminded to wash one’s hands after using the restroom because of possible cantact with feces, how on earth can any sane person say it is right to use the anal canal for sexual relations, a disease ridden, injury causing (tears the canal quite often) habit, and that is what this indoctrination is all about — telling children that it is all right for two men or two women to engage in such activity. Sorry to be so graphic about it folks, but someone has to say it.
peter. I did not choose my sexuality either, but Christ’ law commands that despite my sexual orientation I must remain celibate unless I am married in Holy Matrimony if I hope to enter the Kingdom of God. It is not easy, but with God’s grace it is possible. Remember Christ promised his followers the cross! As I am attracted to the opposite gender than myself, it is my opinion that the social stigma I endure for being single and celibate is a lot greater than I imagine it would be for one who is attracted to one’s same gender but remains celibate. What are your thought’s on this?
The great chastisement is well on it’s way, may God have mercy on us!
“chastisement” doesn’t sound too great to me.
it sounds pretty scary, in fact.
If they are going to ban procedures and therapies that can cause depression and even suicide attempts, they should start with abortion.
k, very good pouint.
just this morning on NPR i heard a commentary from a woman who had an abortion years ago and it’s plagued her each day.
she now has three children and grieves very much over the life that was killed in her womb…depression, as you say, and all KINDs of pr9oblems.
You make a good point, K. Parents should not be allowed to force their daughters into having abortions and people need to know about the risks of abortion and the harm that it causes.
Amen! K.
Gospel According to St Matthew 15, [3] But he answering, said to them: Why do you also transgress the commandment of God for your tradition? For God said: [4] Honour thy father and mother: And: He that shall curse father or mother, let him die the death. Sodomy is a violation of this Commandment.
hey, JLS, welcome back!
i thought maybe you were on vacation in tahiti, with no wi-fi access…
I fell in a ditch.
JLS hahaha oh wait i meant to say “are you okay.?”
LOL max you are so creative, where do you get that creativity, tahiti no wifi? Hilarious. Do you do comic strips for some newspaper? Just wondering, gotta give you credit for creativity too. haha
no, ABECA, it’s just that fun-loving JLS always brings out the best in me…
JLS yes right on! Your comments are the truth and it displays that when folks stray away from God and His ways, we end up with folks like these dirty politicians with unresolved issues. They should take it up to therapy sessions, not foolishly use their power and strip the rights of others! It’s obvious that this law is some kind of vengeance he has from his own personal life, some people just have to get back and bite real hard. It’s his cry out for help and the worst thing is, those in power are prey to false compassion.
I think it is good that they are banning sexual orientation conversion therapy for minors. The reason is that it does not work and could cause harm. It is pretty much quack science. Such therapies can cause or worsen depression and even lead to suicide. As a pro-life person, I think that young people should be protected from unproven therapies that have suicide as a risk. From what I have read, most kids that have had this type of therapy have had it against their wills. I feel sorry for the parents in these cases because many of them don’t want a gay kid and they are sometimes taken in by people who tell them that homosexuality is some kind of a sickness that they can cure.
PA, are you advocating the nationalization of families?
Mark from PA: I don’t know where you get your data, but it is not accurate. Both Courage and NARTH have had tremendous results in not only identifying the root cause of people’s SSA, but helping these men and women achieve the joy of the Lord in their hearts. Do you realize that for those who have SSA because of abuse, either mental, physical or both have benefited well from this therapy? Refusing this therapy for people who have been abused is refusing therapy that will help these people recover from the abuse they encountered. Mark, get your facts straight. You are so focused on defending homosexuality that you create more damage than harm. Mark, take on the mind of the church which is the mind of Christ and trust that He is the Lord of all. God Love You.
MD, if people have been abused then they surely can have therapy but abuse doesn’t have anything to do with a guy’s sexual orientation. Some people have the mistaken idea that being raped makes a guy a homosexual but this is NOT true. I feel that Courage is used by people in NARTH and I think that Courage should distance itself from NARTH which is not recognized as reputable by the mainstream medical and psychiatric communities.
Mark from PA and peter: One last point for you to consider. Both of you argue that the homosexual tendency is biological, a natural occurrence. One thing you both are neglecting that shows that homosexual attraction is learned and not natural is identical twins. Speaking from strictly a scientific perspective, a one twin cannot be born with homosexual desires and the other not have them. It is impossible to argue that one can naturally have SSA and the other not. There are many cases in the world of identical twins one being heterosexual and the other being homosexual, but they have the exact same genetic makeup. This is a reality the homosexual community tries to sweep under the rug. God Love you.
Mark from PA why do you post out of ignorance? It is a lie, where did you get your facts? from the gay and lesbian newsletter? Of course they are going to say such negative things, they don’t want anyone to seek healing! PA from my personal experience when i was reaching out to homosexuals, suicide was thought of because they had deep rooted wounds of some kind of sexual abuse. Sodomy experience induces such thoughts, even with heterosexual sex, but the difference is that I don’t know how much one’s chemistry changes when sperm enters another boy, but since it is not a natural thing, anything goes and not in the direction in which God has ordained. It is a disorder PA! With any disorder, there are different ways people deal with them, some do not reason well. Therapy actually has helped many deal with molestation, forced sodomy on a child, it has helped them understand that whatever has been forced upon themselves that it does not define who they are, it most cases, if they are with a good therapist, it actually helps get to the underline cause. BUT since California has made it even hard for Therapist to give real help, many solid resources aren’t really available, so this law is foolish because there isn’t much real quality of therapy, mostly it is pro-embrace of gay lifestyles! Children are impressionable young minds, in dysfunctional situations, they often blame themselves and do not reason well. PA stop using the terms gay kid. Gay is an agenda buddy, kids aren’t born gay, there is no proof to back up your false claims!
I hadn’t looked at that way JLS but you’re right. It puts great stress on a whole family.
PA – Right on! And that is exactly why this legislation is so important.
peter: first off, Lieu developed this idea watching a TV show? Where is the factual data to support this bill? I can tell you, there isn’t any because there is a large amount of data that supports the psychological treatment of people with SSA, especially that which results from traumatic trauma such as abuse. Legislation should stay out of the personal affairs of Americans and their families. The government has NO right to tell people how to raise their children and if you think so, there is a deeper problem here. Also, as I stated earlier, the fact that a person has SSA does not mean they have to act on those desires. To act on a desire is a decision and an act of the will peter, so a person chooses to live the homosexual lifestyle. I hope God touches your soul with His Divine Truth.
Because this law assumes that parents are nit wits, maybe they’ll capture all parents and lock them up and enslave our children for their own agenda’s and experiments.
Oh wait I think they are already doing that.
Mark from PA: Once again you are stating misleading ideology. NARTH has proven statistics of psychological trauma that is the genesis of sexual orientation for a large number of men and women they deal with. The reason the mainstream does not accept NARTH is because the mainstream is now trying to glorify homosexual behavior. Mark do you understand that they are trying to ban this therapy for all people, not just minors. Furthermore, the government is taking the parental rights away from parents in deciding what the state deems best for the caring for children and not the parents? The state has done so in parental notification in abortion and now in sexual in deciding how a child will develop sexually? The state has NO right to interfere in matters of raising children. Do you understand this basic principle Mark that our rights as parents are being slowly diluted by a state that is not as concerned about their souls as they are about the temporal means of the world and their political gain? Mark, I suggest you get your facts straight and be a defender of truth not the lies that these pro-abortion and anti-family politicians are propagating in our society. God Love You.
MD you are right….
Really, I think every child deserves to have a something like a society that could help them with their sexual orientation. If a person is gay, surely he or she will look for a same-sex relationship sooner or later.