The following comes from an August 29 story in the San Jose Mercury News.
In a decision that could spark a U.S. Supreme Court review, a federal appeals court on Thursday upheld the state’s new law barring the practice of counseling minors to convert from homosexuality, rejecting the free speech and religious rights arguments of therapists and families who support the practice.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously concluded that the ban, the first of its kind in the nation, did not violate the free speech rights of therapists and was within the state’s authority to outlaw medical or mental health practices it considers harmful to minors. The court also rejected the argument the law
interferes with parents’ rights to seek such counseling for their children.
“Fundamental rights of parents do not include the right to choose a specific type of provider for a specific medical or mental health treatment that the state has reasonably deemed harmful,” 9th Circuit Judge Susan Graber wrote for the three-judge panel.
In two separate cases, a group of therapists and families sued over the ban, arguing that it violates the free speech rights of therapists to discuss gay conversion with young patients and tramples on parents’ religious freedom to seek therapy to convert their children from homosexuality. The law barred licensed mental health professionals from using the therapy on youths under the age of 18.
One federal judge had blocked enforcement of the law while the case is on appeal, while another refused to issue an injunction. The 9th Circuit has now lifted the injunction against the ban, although the therapists and families can ask the court to reconsider the case with an 11-judge panel.
The Pacific Justice Institute, one of the organizations challenging the ban, vowed to appeal….
To read entire story, click here.
“Fundamental rights of parents do not include the right to choose a specific type of provider for a specific medical or mental health treatment that the state has reasonably deemed harmful”
“We hereby rule that, as to medical treatments, the State (and not parents) decides when, whether and what treatments your child will or will not receive.”
The article left out an important part: The regulation applies only to those individuals LICENSED BY THE STATE. Intentionally let out of the regulation are treatments by unlicensed counselors and religious personnell. So if Father Smith wants to try to convert his congregants, have at it.
Then prepare to turn me in, YFC. I am a school teacher (licensed by the state) and I will assist any parent who wants my help in finding counsellors who are willing to defy this unjust law. Homosexual behavior casts into Hell, while the vile, corrupt state of California can only cast into jail.
Tom – Be careful what you wish for, the Gaystapo may deliver…
Meaning Deliver You – in to the New ‘Dachau West’, also known as “The Death Camp of Tolerance”
(*one of the most prescient South Park episodes to ever air, and brutally honest in its raunchy depictions of the Homo-Anal ‘lifestyle’ scam) –
– Where truly ‘Tolerance Macht Frei’
As a Teacher – all one need do to invoke the wrath of SB #48 by State Senator Mark “Kiddie Porn King” Leno (now de-facto leader of the Larry Brinkin posse)
Is to provide any Factual Accurate Information to students – that in the opinion of the Gaystapo Thought Police “Reflects Adversely”…
On the Larry Brinkin Racist Pederast Rape Ring, run 4 fun out of the ‘in-human-rights’ commission in Sodom by the Sea.
BTW – Like ‘Fight Club’ this prohibition Includes any discussion of said “Gaystapo Thought Police” as well.
Leading California gay rights leader arrested over child porn possession
“NO SHAME” https://calcatholic.com/wordpress/2012/06/27/no-shame/
Soooo… No Discussing the reality of the Boy Raping Homo-Anal Coprophile Pederasts who founded the third Homo-Nazi Reich, and their modern disciples – Or any of the Facts linked below, no matter how true
Might just be enough to blow out Kiddie Porn King Leno’s last remaining Gaskets…
And Bring the Harpies of Retribution swooping down on your job – or what’s left of it after the Gaystapo finish.
The Strange, Strange Story of Gay Fascists.- by Johann Hari.
The lost boys of Afghanistan by: JOEL BRINKLEY.
NARTH has suffered several embarrassing episodes, caused not by its alliances but by its own members. In 2007, Nicolosi came under fire after an essay seeming to justify slavery appeared on NARTH’s website. In the piece, “Gay Rights and Political Correctness: A Brief History,” Dr. Gerald Schoenewolf, a New York psychotherapist and member of the group’s science advisory committee, wrote, “Africa at the time of slavery was still primarily a jungle. … Life there was savage … and those brought to America, and other countries, were in many ways better off.” (Nicolosi stepped down as NARTH president after criticism mounted, but he remains instrumental in the group.)
Then, in 2010, George Rekers, a psychologist and also a scientific adviser to NARTH, was photographed at Miami International Airport with a 20-year-old male prostitute who had accompanied him on a 10-day European vacation. Rekers insisted he had hired the man, who advertised his services on Rentboy.com, merely to carry his luggage. The man disagreed. He told reporters he had given Rekers daily nude massages that included genital contact.
Sharon Slater, whose Family Watch International argues that homosexuality is an “assault on marriage, the family, and family related issues” was one of them. In one of the policy briefs on her group’s website, Slater argued that “homosexuality is relatively rare” and, what’s more, treatable. Like many of her fellow anti-gay leaders, Slater has ties to activists in Uganda who are lobbying for the so-called “Kill the Gays” bill, but she made no mention of that in Phoenix as she catalogued a global effort to undermine family values through United Nations-sanctioned “comprehensive sexual education” programs. The UN, she argued, is seeking to indoctrinate children into the “gay lifestyle.” In Slater’s assessment, fighting homosexuality is “the battle of our time.”
These are not new associations for NARTH. Since its founding, the group has aligned its mission with some of the most venomous purveyors of anti-gay propaganda.
In 1995, for example, NARTH featured Scott Lively, co-author of The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party, at its annual conference. Lively’s book argues that the Nazi Party recruited gay men because of their inherent savagery and that gay men largely orchestrated the Holocaust — a claim roundly rejected by all reputable historians. NARTH has also promoted the work of Paul Cameron, who remains director of the Family Research Institute despite being ejected from the American Psychological Association and the American Sociological Association (ASA). The ASA declared, “Dr. Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism.”
Tom Byrne read the story on Father Jerzy from Poland. Maybe his story will encourage us all to stand up against this evil government! We are not a communist country, how dare they make this a law….this is unconstitutional! We need to pray and fast!
What are the gays and their advocates afraid of? That this works?… And that there is freedom from this disorder…..This is nothing more than ‘homofascism’….
If you read the decision by the court you see what the state is afraid of: that 1) it doesn’t work and that 2) it can be detrimental to the child.
That is your personal opinion YFC…..its not your business what a parent wants to seek help for! Plus gays adopting is so very harmful…that is what should be outlawed the adoption of same sex partners…that is where the real danger is!
No, Abeca, I’m sorry, I was not referencing my opinion. I was referencing the evidence presented to the court. Did you read the court’s summary of the evidence? I didn’t think so.
YFC: 1. It does work 2. It can save a child years of unhealthy and unhappy lives 3, The evidence and the liberal bias of the court made this outcome inevitable 4.This censorship indicates they know it works or else what are they afraid of?
What the matter YFC, are you afraid to try?
The effective counselors, presumably, will be those licensed by the state. As in those counselors at Narth.
YFC, so in other words, you are saying that if one is licensed by the STATE, he or she severs his or her right to ever help any male child whose parents wish to help him overcome his dangerous desire to “romp around in a “Frothy Mix of Feces & Lube””? (quote by Michael McDermott) Wouldn’t this also reason that the parent who wishes to help his/her child overcome his dangerous desire to “romp around in a “Frothy Mix of Feces & Lube”” would be denied by the STATE to seek treatment from a STATE licensed practitioner for their child?
Tracy, I know from our previous interchanges that you are very capable of asking articulate questions, which I’m happy to try to answer. But if you use the kind of foul language that Michael uses, then you’ve strayed from “articulate”, and I won’t be able to answer your question without first rephrasing it. I’d enjoy an adult conversation with you about this, but let’s stick to a more mature articulation, shall we?
YFC, the language is foul because the act it describes is foul. Clearly I articulated myself very clearly. If I hadn’t then why did you said in your final sentence that you would like me to stick to a more “mature articulation”. You either understood what I articulated or you didn’t.
Articulate: Composed of distinct, meaningful syllables or words, as human speech.
Anyway, if CCD allows me to post it, I will from now on use the proper anatomical words to describe the homosexual sex act. If they won’t allow the correct anatomical words then I will return to the above phrase.
ONE BIG COP OUT FROM YOUR FALLEN CATHOLIC!
Kenneth M. Fisher
Disgusting! There are ladies present.
Anonymous, which do you find more disgusting; the words which describes the homosexual sex act or the homosexual sex act?
Tracy: I urge you to get back to a more reasonable pathway here. Google “frothy mix” and you might be surprised the origin of this phrase. And it is absolutely disgusting that you and Michael even bring it onto this website.
Tracy, the lesser of two evils is still evil.
Psychotherapeutic modalities to convert or ‘repair’ homosexuality are based on developmental theories whose scientific validity is questionable. Furthermore, anecdotal reports of “cures” are counterbalanced by anecdotal claims of psychological harm. In the last four decades, “reparative” therapists have not produced any rigorous scientific research to substantiate their claims of cure. Until there is such research available, [the American Psychiatric Association] recommends that ethical practitioners refrain from attempts to change individuals’ sexual orientation, keeping in mind the medical dictum to first, do no harm.
The potential risks of reparative therapy are great, including depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior, since therapist alignment with societal prejudices against homosexuality may reinforce self-hatred already experienced by the patient. Many patients who have undergone reparative therapy relate that they were inaccurately told that homosexuals are lonely, unhappy individuals who never achieve acceptance or satisfaction. The possibility that the person might achieve happiness and satisfying interpersonal relationships as a gay man or lesbian is not presented, nor are alternative approaches to dealing with the effects of societal stigmatization discussed.
Therefore, the American Psychiatric Association opposes any psychiatric treatment, such as reparative or conversion therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her sexual homosexual orientation.”
In a move that serves as a significant blow to “ex-gay” programs and anti-gay organizations, Dr. Robert Spitzer repudiated his much-criticized 2001 study that claimed some “highly motivated” homosexuals could go from gay to straight. His retraction occurred in an American Prospect magazine article that hit newsstands today. Spitzer’s rejection of his own research, which was originally published in the prestigious Archives of Sexual Behavior, is a devastating blow to “ex-gay” organizations because it decisively eliminates their most potent claim that homosexuality can be reversed through therapy and prayer. “Dr. Spitzer’s repudiation of his 2001 study is an earthquake that severely undermines the validity of ‘ex-gay’ programs,” said Truth Wins Out’s Executive Director Wayne Besen, who criticized the study in his 2003 book, Anything But Straight: Unmasking the Scandals and Lies Behind the Ex-Gay Myth. “Spitzer just kicked out the final leg from the stool on which the proponents of ‘ex-gay’ therapy based their already shaky claims of success.” Spitzer’s 2001 study was a surprise and created a media firestorm because he had previously led the charge in 1972-73 to remove homosexuality from the list of mental disorders in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of the American Psychiatric Association.
Over 14,000 school district superintendents in the country were sent a letter by a group called the American College of Pediatricians inviting them to peruse and use information from a new site, Facts About Youth, which was created to supposedly help young adults. The website says the following: Facts is a non-political, non-religious channel presenting the most current facts on the subject. Facts is committed to advancing a school environment in which all students will experience the opportunity to achieve optimal health and safety, even in the midst of differing worldviews. Facts is intended to be a resource to promote the factual and respectful discussion of these potentially divisive issues. This is a web site for and about youth and their needs. The web site also claims that it was created to combat some medical organizations who supposedly because of “political correctness” misrepresent science to affirm unhealthy lifestyles as normal behavior. Facts About Youth sounds as legitimate as the organization behind its creation, the American College of Pediatricians. That is until you read the so-called facts it posts about the gay community, such as: Some gay men sexualize human waste, including the medically dangerous practice of coprophilia, which means sexual contact with highly infectious fecal wastes. What Facts About Youth does is push almost every anti-gay talking point and distortion repeated by various religious right groups over the past 30 years under the guise of unbiased research.
Corrected TRANSLATION: It is not a fundamental right of parents to deliberately harm their children.
peter, in other words you are saying that any parent who would attempt to help his/her child overcome his dangerous desire to “romp around in a “Frothy Mix of Feces & Lube””? (quote by Michael McDermott) would be deliberately harming his child? Say What?
Dangerous- Full of danger. Able or likely to cause harm.
Harm- Physical or psychological injury or damage.
Now I hear you that you are concerned that this therapy has sometimes been shown to “psychologically” harm some children, but keep in mind that in the science of medicine there is almost always a benefit/risk equation involved with any medical treatment. One always has to take into account of whether or not the benefits outweigh the risk of any given treatment. In the case of someone having a desire to “romp around in a “Frothy Mix of Feces & Lube”” the almost certain likelihood of this resulting in a “physical” harmful outcome is well established.
Savage Love Quotes
Tracy – You have learned to wisely employ the ‘Politics of Adversarial Terminology’, and ably put a spotlight on the Behaviors ‘Happy’ campers Advocated for kids.
However, modesty compels me to remind you that Homoage to the Iconic Symbol of said Happy Campers – the “Frothy Mix of Feces & Lube”…
Is being Spread around with tax subsidy by none other than the Administration’s own Bio-Terrorist – Dan ‘The Savage Lickspittle’ Himself …
– Who is no doubt frothing with jealousy towards all such Excremental Publicity.
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) – A columnist who infiltrated the presidential campaign of Republican Gary Bauer during the Iowa caucus has avoided jail by pleading guilty to voter fraud.
Dan Savage, 36, had been charged with two counts of voter fraud for casting a ballot using a Des Moines hotel address. He pleaded guilty Tuesday to fraudulently voting in a caucus, a misdemeanor.
By pleading guilty, Savage was spared a trial on a felony voter fraud count.
He could have faced up to six years in prison. He was sentenced instead to a year’s probation, 50 hours’ community service and a $750 fine.
**San Francisco Police Department debuts ‘It gets better’ video
Bay City News Service 02/10/2012
As part of the nationwide campaign… San Francisco Police Department debuted an “It Gets Better” video…
first of its kind for not only San Francisco law enforcement but for any law enforcement agency in the U.S.
…syndicated columnist Dan Savage and his husband Terry Millerfirst launched.
peter gays harm children by adopting them! There is backed up research on how damaging that really is…..so stop with your hypocrisy! If you really cared for the well being of children then stop adoptions to gay couples!
Father Jerzy from Poland pray for us! As you faced persecution, we are now facing the same in the USA!
There is actually no such research Abeca, so please try to state facts not what you wish would be the facts.
YFC since you are pro-gay…I could care less to prove anything to you because you are after one thing and that is your acceptance of gay lifestyles….so nah….no pearls wasted anymore…..if you have a heart of conversion and repentance, then you will be the one who will look for those facts because it is then that the truth would be more appealing to you.
Gays make up only 3-4% of the population but account for over one third of all abuse….And did you forget the Catholic Church’s own homosexual sex abuse scandal?
I do (have a heart of conversion and repentance), I have (looked for those facts), and found your truth to be wanting. It’s just made up junk science in place of what many of us know to be true: That what makes a parent a good one is not whether one is gay or straight but whether one loves, encourages, and provides for those under their care.
Abeca C., A study by the Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law reveals that family type (i.e. whether parents are heterosexual or homosexual) has no bearing on the adjustment of an adopted child. The study followed 120 mostly-white couples of varying sexual orientation adopting their first child, each of which was under a year and a half old. Rather than the sexuality of the parents, the factors that affected the children concerned whether parents fought, were depressed or were ill-prepared for having kids.
We anxiously await hearing how gay marriage and adoption opponents respond to this latest scientific evidence
Egregious violation of parents’ rights. Reminiscent of the various fascist and communist dictatorships of the past century. Alive and well in the Peoples; Republic of California. To change the composition of our courts of law(?) we must toss out liberal politicians. Only this way will be rid of judges like Ms. Graber, who are appointed by the very same politicians. Prayers are powerful, but so are votes!
Checking on this lady judge, I discovered she was originally appointed by Bill Clinton. No further comment.
Wish they would decide that about abortion.
Remember, these are all small steps toward their goal, a society controlled by sodomites, in which being heterosexual will be deemed homophobic, in which only homosexuals will be allowed to exist, except for those heterosexuals necessary to biologically reproduce boys and girls to be served up to the sodomites and lesbians. Of course, once artificial human reproduction is perfected, there will be no need for heterosexuals, and they will be completely banned. Now you can see the link between the rise of artificial human reproduction and the rise of the sodomites.
Pray away the gay does not work. It is a lie. This law protects kids.
TD, so you hold the belief that The Almighty Powerful God has zero power over changing someone who has the desire to “romp around in a “Frothy Mix of Feces & Lube””?
(quote by Michael McDermott)
TD the law that allows gays to adopt is highly dangerous! This therapy is not! STOP THE NONSENSE! You gays do not care for children, it is about indoctrination and we all know it!
Former Exodus International chairman and conversion therapy “success story” John Paulk has written a formal statement of apology for his role in promoting Focus on the Family’s “ex-gay” ministry and for any harm his actions may have done to other gays and lesbians. In the letter, Paulk admits that “many things” in his life changed during his time at Focus on the Family, though his sexual orientation did not. So in 2003, I left the public ministry and gave up my role as a spokesman for the “ex-gay movement.” I began a new journey. In the decade since, my beliefs have changed. Today, I do not consider myself “ex-gay” and I no longer support or promote the movement. Please allow me to be clear: I do not believe that reparative therapy changes sexual orientation; in fact, it does great harm to many people. I know that countless people were harmed by things I said and did in the past, Parents, families, and their loved ones were negatively impacted by the notion of reparative therapy and the message of change. I am truly, truly sorry for the pain I have caused. From the bottom of my heart I wish I could take back my words and actions that caused anger, depression, guilt and hopelessness. In their place I want to extend love, hope, tenderness, joy and the truth that gay people are loved by God.
Abeca Christian, You only have to remember the “Golden Rule” and you will be content.
Silly juergenson: If gays want heterosexuals to go away, how would the species reproduce? Where do you come up with such nonsense?
Silly is not reading my entire post and then commenting on it.
Jergy, You need to take a pill and get a good nights sleep. Gays are fighting for equal rights under the law of our land. They are not going for world domination. Get a grip. BTW, You are silly.
Even beyond what “Uhoh” says, the phrase “that the state has reasonably deemed harmful” is nothing more than what National Socialism stood for: the State trumps all parental rights, all religious convictions, anything that is not in power. As the full story goes, the State legislators have targeted by homosexual sex groups to stop this process; there are no separate findings of any value, only the ululations of homosexual sex practitioners that want no stigma attached to their perversions. Pity the children that are denied at least a chance under this outlawed procedure. And, pity all of society that now is told that the only thing that matters is who is in power. This is why the Clintons, and the Democratic Party, generally, are so devoted to politics — nothing else matters. In fact, to Judge Graber’s way of thinking, there is no U.S. Constitution either. What madmen (and women) are running the show in America.
Conversion Therapy Law Threatens Christians
By Fay Voshell (Via JONAH – Jews Offering New Alternatives to Healing)
When Chris Christie signed a law against conversion therapy directed at counseling teens experiencing homoerotic feelings, he probably didn’t think he had just put New Jersey on a path similar to countries like Saudi Arabia, which forbids conversion from the prevailing Muslim faith.
But forbidding efforts to convert is essentially what the governor did.
He expressly forbade conversion from the prevailing progressive religion, whose chief doctrine is that sexual behavior, including the homoerotic behavior of some children, is a sacred, infallible, and therefore unchangeable indicator of what human identity entails.
He forbade moral suasion. He forbade attempts to persuade young people that another way of life is available.
That other way that is forbidden is, of course, the way of Christian sexual ethics. Counseling a kid to follow the Christian way, to attempt to change his or her homoerotic behavior,
Old Media Misandry Coverup
The SJ Mercury News is part of the Dean Singleton Media Propaganda Syndicate, including ‘Media-News / Associated Press / BANG – and many local orifices for dumping – from the ‘Trying Times’ in the east bay to others nationwide.
The ‘truthiness’ of Singleton Media’s spew – shows in fact that a Full Year since BRINKIN’s Second Arrest…
– A Complete Censorship Blackout on the whole LARRY BRINKIN Racist Homo-Anal Pederast Rape Ring – run out of the Frisco ‘In-human reghts’ comm i – Remains.
Singleton regularly run stories trashing the Catholic Church (Avoiding terms like Pederast / Ephebophile), and ran wild over ‘married-football -heterosexual’ Boy Rapist Sandusky – But Never One Mention of LARRY BRINKIN:
SOME of the Ugly Facts Censored by the (Singleton / A.P. / MediaNews / Trying Times syndicate) include:
‘Der Arnold’ was Blackmailed over his ‘secret’ love child, while Still in Office – and as Part of the Payoff threw Marriage under There Bus, and kept “$5 Smidgen – Carole Migden” in the Pork – https://www.capitolweekly.net/article.php?xid=zeee95vre99rvl.
Virtually Every Demicrat Politico in the State had a wall full of Group Hug’ Photos – featuring them and the rest of the Larry Brinkin Posse from Frisco – with BRINKIN Since edited out.
SEE Leading California gay rights leader arrested over child porn possession
Senator Mark “Kiddie Porn King” Leno is Brinkin’s Heir:
The ‘Gov. Lt.’ (Gravid Nuisance) was having it off with a Female Subordinate, married to his campaign manager, and still got elected.
‘Trying Times’ Indeed
“AP President Dean Singleton Slobbers Over Obama in Gushing Speech
By Matthew Sheffield 4/3/12
– the Associated Press is, quite arguably, the most important news outlet in the world with its content appearing in tens of thousands of newspapers and websites around the world.
Judging from a gushing speech by AP president Dean Singleton, the wire service is making no bones about being firmly in the camp of President Obama.
Dean was obsequious in his praise for Obama, telling an audience for the AP’s annual luncheon…
– As Washington Times columnist Charles Hurt noted, the former newspaper magnate was beside himself, acting like a “newshound in heat.”:
> “But for the assembled “news” hounds — the most vaunted gathering of news executives from around the country — it was all very serious swooning. They were like a bunch of dogs in heat.
Dean Singleton, chairman of the AP board, introduced Mr. Obama. No, actually, it was more like he proposed to him. Sang him an icky love song in which he reminisced about all their hot dates and then pledged his undying love forever…
– Mr. Singleton’s Valentine essay was so over-the-top fawning that even they were probably embarrassed — if that is possible.
He began by sweetly recalling their first encounter, when Mr. Obama was just a junior senator and invited to the august luncheon to share “his vision for America.”
” …It is Mr. President!”
Marilyn Monroe never uttered the word so lustily.
Read more: https://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/04/03/ap-president-dean-singleton-slobbers-over-obama-gushing-speech#ixzz2dwWvdNu0
Brilliant post, Michael. Frankly, I think Christie may as well be a democrat…his slavering adulation of obama is enough to make one lose one’s breakfast. It must be little some hidden magnetism that the rest of us are missing, not having an interest in men’s ‘health’ clubs, bath houses ‘n all that jazz.
Dana – check out this well reasoned and researched article, to help fill the information gaps dug by our bought and paid for ‘free press’ as last ditch stand against an informed public:.
By Dale O’Leary, Dean Byrd, Ph.D., Richard Fitzgibbons, M.D.
What are the facts?
• Persons with Same Sex Attraction (SSA) are more likely than those without to suffer from psychological disorders, including depression, suicidal ideation, substance abuse problems.
2 Recent well-designed studies with large samples consistently find dramatically higher rates of a number of problems among persons with SSA. These studies do not include problems of sexual addiction or paraphilias. Were these included the rate of psychological disorders among persons with SSA would be even higher.
Before 1999, there were small studies that appeared to show no differences between persons with SSA and those without SSA, however, since 1999 a number of large well-designed studies have found significant differences.3 It should also be noted that persons sympathetic to the gay agenda conducted the majority of these studies.
• 40% to 50% of persons with SSA have been victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse (CSA) or rape.4
• There is no replicated scientific evidence that SSA is biologically (genetically or hormonally) predetermined and unchangeable.5 If it were identical twins would virtually always have the same pattern of sexual attraction and they do not. In a study of a large sample of male identical twins when one twin had SSA in only 11% of the cases so did the other.6
Even if one accepts the findings of Byrd and Fitzgibbons, there is no indication that homosexuality CAUSES those problems. It is far more likely, and indeed there is much evidence to suggest, that it is society’s rejection of the person that causes their disproportionate mental illness.
I do dispute that gay people have such high incidence of victimization. And I definitely dispute the interpretation of the genetic data. I can name you many examples in which identical twins do not exhibit the same traits.
Riiiiight, Your Fellow Catholic.
If one cannot distinguish the digestive from the reproductive system (Which should be a “lay up”) there are bound to be challenges with the issues of greater moment in life.
All you need to know is that they have adopted the term “gay”, which used to mean happy [to cover what exactly???].
Your insightful post literally Dwarfs the Coprophile Caucus of Trolls… So what else is new – Ho Hum
Consider the following more useful aid to understanding.:
“Why Science Doesn’t Support Orientation-Change Bans
September 4, 2013 Peter Sprigg -Family Research Council
…even professional organizations can fall prey to political pressure and ideological bias—as has certainly been the case with the APA on the issue of homosexuality.
despite the APA’s longstanding sympathy for the programs of groups like the Human Rights Campaign and GLAAD, the APA’s actual statements on the subject of sexual reorientation therapy do a great deal to undermine the conclusion that..
Christie’s press release reductively declared that “people are born gay.”
Yet there is no firm scientific basis for this conclusion.
The three studies in the early 1990’s which were hailed by the media as providing evidence for a “gay gene” (or at least for an innate and biological cause for homosexuality) have long since been discredited by the failure of any other researchers to be able to replicate those early results.
In fact, the American Psychological Association itself has actually moved away from asserting certainty about the origins of homosexuality, declaring in their most recent statement on this question that:
“There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. . . . Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles.”
McDermott, Whatever you think you know about gays is your problematic opinion. One thing for sure is that NARTH is nothing but a scam, and conversion therapy is a lie. IT DOES NOT WORK!
Sorry hoho: I missed the dessert you offerred. Sorry, your post is incomprehenzible for any of us who would love to respond to you. Can you please repost, and while you are at it, Can you please show how your post conforms to the Catechissm with reagards to how we ought to be treated from the Church?
Harpy Tales 2-U… Until they bleat again
As observed elsewhere – the pretense of sham ‘Debate’ with Anonymous Harpy Trolls is a little less productive than shoveling flies across the room.
And far less worthy of one’s precious time
By the way, Michael, the 11% twin figure you quote would be about 400% or so higher than the population at large. Most people would consider that evidence of genetic influence.
The lawsuit, filed in the Superior Court of New Jersey, charges that Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing (JONAH), its founder, Arthur Goldberg, and counselor Alan Downing violated New Jersey’s Consumer Fraud Act by providing conversion therapy claiming to cure clients of being gay.
Customers of JONAH’s services typically pay a minimum of $100 for weekly individual counseling sessions and another $60 for group therapy sessions. The lawsuit describes sessions that involved clients undressing in front of a mirror and even a group session where young men were instructed to remove their clothing and stand naked in a circle with the counselor, Downing, who was also undressed. Another session involved a subject attempting to wrest away two oranges, which were used to represent testicles, from another individual. Downing and other counselors at JONAH also use techniques that leave clients alienated from their families. These techniques encourage clients to blame their parents for being gay. Clients even participate in violent role play exercises where they beat effigies of their mothers. “These counselors are skilled at manipulating you into believing just about anything,” said Benjamin Unger, another plaintiff in the case. “During my time with JONAH, they told me constantly that my mom had made me gay. I was so convinced that I refused to have any contact with her for several months, which caused a great deal of damage to our relationship.”
Your posted policy says no html tags, urls and links. May I respectfully suggest you enforce that policy or delete it.
We changed the policy but forgot to delete on website.
Deletion coming soon.
Thanks…I appreciate that because it’s easy to delete inappropriate web links but some of the ones that are given are most helpful! God bless.
I must say Mr. Holman….I was hesitating lately whether to make a donation or not, due to how this website was being run lately, especially with many good comments denied and for the allowing of mistreatment of those of good will here through various reasons, for losing the interest of some very good commentators like Rick Delano, etc etc…..I know they expressed their distaste of the battle of some of their comments not making it through, especially when I know that some of those good who comment are more good at debating than insults, well anyhoo….short and simple, your last comment from September 4, 2013 at 5:04 pm, softened my heart and now you can expect to see a humble donation next week from me, through someone else. You are a good gentleman, I really appreciate your pro-life efforts.
God bless….its a humble donation you see, I already made another commitment to help out somewhere else but I can give up sometime like treats and offer them up to you instead. God bless you as you continue to improve this website. Ok Dana you win…….you too softened my heart …wow….keep on!
FYI your comments have – as far as I can remember- not been edited for content, but for exceeding the 10/day rule.
We run the clock from midnight to midnight in counting them.
Maybe raising that number max amount might improve things… : ) what’s to say that it may be tolerated more by some more than others? I’m just your regular, I might be one that sticks out more….hehehe
Plus your note kindly asked people it didn’t say it was a requirement so I guess I might have misunderstood, plus there are moments where I don’t visit here as often like I use to, so when I do post, it is just to catch up….so oops sorry. I still pray that your website improves though. God bless you. Next week…expect a humble donation for your time that I wasted,
The gays want to censor the truth…..Father Jerzy from Poland pray for us! Bishop Sheen pray for us…..we pray for miracles from these whom we pray that God give us permission to make saints here on earth!
Where are our Bishops ?
Why are they not teaching all literate Catholics within their own Diocese to study the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” at home on their own time ?
Those who do not know their Faith or are heretics or schismatics – will vote for evil politicians and evil elected judges. Evil politicians appoint those of like mind. Bad political actions/laws all get back to the VOTING practices of those who call themselves CATHOLIC.
For more info on the CCC go to: “What Catholics REALLY Believe SOURCE”
By Wlodzimierz Redzioch, Inside the Vatican Eastern Europe Correspondent
On October 19, 1984, Father Jerzy Popieluszko, a young priest from the Warsaw parish of St. Stanislaw Kostka, was invited to a prayer meeting held by the association for the pastoral care of workers of the town of Bydgoszcz. He celebrated Mass first, then commented on the sorrowful mysteries of the rosary. He ended his comment with the following words: “Let’s pray God to set us free from fear and terror, but, first and foremost, from the desire for violence and vengeance.”
At the end of the meeting Father Popieluszko decided to go back home even though it was late. He was traveling in a car driven by a certain Waldemard Chrostowski.
When the car got close to a village called Górsk, it was stopped by officers of the secret service in the disguise of traffic police. After handcuffing the driver, they stunned the priest with a knock on the head, gagged him and threw him into the trunk of the car and drove away. Chrostowski managed to get off the running car and gave the alarm.
The escape of Popieluszko’s driver did not make the police officers change their criminal plans: they beat the priest to death — the doctor who did the autopsy declared that he had never seen a man with such internal lesions — tied his hands and feet behind his back and threw him into the Vistula river with a bag full of stones tied to one leg.
continued : “Why was Father Popieluszko massacred this way? Was he a criminal, a murderer, a terrorist?” was the archbishop’s question, to which he replied: “Not at all. He was just a priest who defended his dignity as a minister of Christ and of the Church, and the freedom of all those who were oppressed and humiliated like him. But the Gospel, religion, freedom, human dignity were not in tune with Marxist ideology. That is why he roused the murderous fury of the great liar, God’s enemy and oppressor of mankind, the one who hates truth and spreads falsehood.”
Amato pointed out that Father Popieluszko was not a political agent, but that as a priest he did not accept living surrounded by death and that, with the spiritual weapons of truth, justice and charity alone, he tried to claim his freedom of conscience as a priest and citizen.
For the movie watch, buy or rent:
Jerzy Popieluszko: Messenger of the Truth
Its a good documentary movie…well made and done, more factual and to the truth. It is inspiring and it will help us and encourage us through these wicked times in the USA….it should help us and edify what we hold to be true and moral. We honor Christ and His church and especially his natural law.
Isn’t the court simply upholding a law that forbids the practice of quack psych? There is no real evidence that this is a legitimate practice. There are only stories from those who practice it. This statement is not an advocacy for gayness, just a comment on the fake practice. If people think that being gay is evil, they should find another way to reverse it. Science, however contrary to many beliefs, has pretty much proven that people are born gay or straight and there isn’t anything you can do about it. So, as the church teaches, we must treat these people with dignity, welcome them to our churches and treat them with respect. It is ok to tell them what the teaches about gayness, but it is not for us to judge, is it? The Pope told me so!
John 2:1-11 The Wedding at Cana. His mother said to the servers, “Do whatever he tells you.” Jesus told the woman caught in adultery “GO NOW, AND SIN NO MORE.!”…..John 8:11 Douay Rheims
Bob One writes. “So, as the church teaches, we must treat these people with dignity, welcome them to our churches and treat them with respect. It is ok to tell them what the teaches about gayness, but it is not for us to judge, is it? The Pope told me so!”
Bob One knows very well that the Catholic Church has ALWAYS taught this. The real issue is the rejection of Church teaching. The counterchurch activists within the church now want respect for homosexual acts. Bob One selectively ignores that truth.
Stop misusing or not clarifying the Pope’s off the cuff remark. The Pope already DID judge the actions of “so called same sex marriage.” He called it the work of Lucifer. WOW LUCIFER’S WORK!!! Sounds like a judgment to me! How’s that for judging Bob? Now if the Blessed Mother were present on earth and standing close to Bob One or anyone who tries to misuse the “Who Am I to Judge comment without clarifying the comment with Jesus’s reminder to “Go now and sin no more,” then Our Blessed Mother would surely know how loophole seekers would twist, misrepresent and misuse that statement. Our Lady of Akita called that misuse “COMPROMISE” …. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” Yes, Our Lady might have been the very first one out of great love for her Son to cast the first stone of reminder to Bob One’s head or to the many disobedient heads in the most loving reminder possible so that the Bob One’s and the other loophole seekers of the world would not twist or misuse the Vicar of Christ on earth words in order to promote evil. The fruit of the Holy Spirit is never confusion.
Sexual activity (including but not limited to pornography) can become addictive behavior.
Addictions can be treated with success, provided the addict wants to change his or her lifestyle. Seeking legitimate medical help should never be out-lawed.
BOB ONE – Please provide a legitimate medical link which proves that people are “born gay”.
By legitimate – like the CDC (Center for Disease Control) etc, – not some quack who is merely trying to legitimize his own lifestyle. And certainly not some study that has not been proven.
There is no scientific proof that people are born homosexual.
There is no scientific proof that homosexuality is linked to any medical condition.
However any sexual activity can become additive, if the human being allows it to consume his thoughts or actions. This is why legitimate psychiatric medical help is important.
There is NO genetic basis for being born gay. …If there were how to explain ‘former’ gays?
There’s no such thing as “former” gays . . .
Excellent post Michael McDermott! This well reasoned and researched article is well worth reading and sending. I’ll repeat the link that you so charitably shared with us.
Abeca is absolutely right about the collective group of counterchurch activists wanting to completely censor the truth. I am quite sure that you have noticed that simply posting links to articles that shed the light and the truth is received by homosexual activists like a waving of the red cape that bullfighters use in a bullfight. The red cape is called a muleta. Once again…..Thank you for this truthful and informative link below.
The practice has caused much physical and emotional damage to LGBT people by organizations who wrongfully say they can cure homosexuality.
Too often, young people are forced to undergo Conversion Therapy by parents and ministers who refuse to accept that they are gay. Parents need to understand that being gay is ok and that their child was created this way in God’s eyes. While some religions wrongfully condemn homosexuality, many embrace it and believe it is part of God’s natural order.
Parents also need to understand that you can’t change a person’s sexuality by forcing them to go through the damaging practice of conversion or reparative therapy. And understand the serious emotional and psychological damage they will cause their son or daughter if they put them through this process.
What the “9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals UNANIMOUSLY concluded” is unconscionable. More than trampling on the free-speech rights of therapists and parental rights over their own children, they are doing such harm to the children themselves by “outlawing” any kind of medical treatment that it is downright State and Judicial Abuse.
However parents still have their religious freedom. They can get themselves and their children away from the State and mental health professionals and seek the help of “faithful” Church apostolates that minister to persons with same-sex attractions and their loved ones, like COURAGE which is nation wide. No matter ones beliefs, there are many such ministries everywhere that help to support, heal and free these persons.
Thank you for making this point Deborah.