The following comes from a June 7 posting on the website of the Los Angeles Archdiocese, written by Archbishop Jose Gomez.
These are exciting times for vocations in our Archdiocese.
Last month I had the blessing of attending the graduation of St. John Seminary. Last Saturday, June 1, I was honored to ordain two fine men to the priesthood.
We are looking ahead at the new school year and I am really encouraged. It looks like we may have 20 to 25 new seminarians this year.
Our future looks bright. Recently I hosted an “Andrew Dinner.” This is a dinner inspired by the Gospel story of St. Andrew bringing St. Peter to meet Jesus. In this case, pastors from around the Archdiocese bring young men from their parishes to have dinner with me and to talk about the exciting adventure of the priesthood. We had a great dinner and about 40 men came who were discerning their vocation to the priesthood.
These men have realized the beautiful truth — that the priesthood is a great adventure, a journey that a man walks in friendship with Jesus Christ….
This week let’s keep praying for more vocations. We can never have enough holy priests! Let’s thank God for our new priests, and let’s pray for all our priests and seminarians, our future! And if you know a young man you think might have a calling, give him our website — www.lavocations.org.
To read the original essae, click here.
God’s people are hungry, thirsty for the truth. Are these men ready to do what Christ asks of them? Only time will tell. Lets keep them in our prayers and may they return to Christ’s traditions.
Read the whole John 21
I am reminded of this wonderful verse from John 21:25
“But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.”
I dedicate this verse to those who tend to go over board on condoning sin by twisting the truth or by saying it does not say that anywhere in scripture or the CCC. If we are for Christ then we can discern His heart and reach an ability to recognize the nature of most sin especially most grave ones.
Thank you, Abeca. People who twist Holy Scripture or the CCC are wolves in sheeps’ clothing, and commit Scandal.
(I prayed for your health. Hope you are doing well.)
Thank you Mike for your prayers…God bless you always.. : )
We offer up their hard work, for the conversion of all sinners and especially for those who need a change of heart in the most dire need.
If we look at Mass attendance on a weekday basis, we see more women than men. Also, we see more women than men attending Night Watch Adoration, Charismatic renewals, Prayer Meetings, pro-life activities, etc.
I think if women were proportionally represented in Church Management (Vatican Curia, Canon Law office, The Pontifical Council for the Family, etc), the church would have more support. Just a thought.
Jenny, Women are usually the biggest influence inside the home. They have the most important job –
Our most important job is teaching/raising our children (future generations) accurately in our Faith, and in Virtue, so they can pass on the Faith, but most importantly so they will get to Heaven.
Let’s get that job done right prior to trying to take on the obligation of trying to manage the Church. (The LCWR Nuns and NETWORK (Nuns on the Bus) apparently can not even read the Bible and CCC since they stray often to the point of schism.)
We have to catechize ourselves for accuracy as well.
SAVING SOULS not management has to be the prime responsibility.
Unfortunately, most working people can’t attend Daily Mass. :(
Jenny, please clearly state your agenda. No, we don’t need more women in church management. We certainly don’t need anymore “priestesses in waiting” than we already have.
I don’t think Jenny is talking about women becoming priests, but rather women taking active roles in various leadership spots — as she indicated in her post.
If Mother Angelica can start EWTN, why can’t women help lead the Vatican offices?
If Mother Theresa can found such a powerful and holy Religious Order, why can’t women help run our dioceses in such a way that children are better protected from predators?
Jenny, in my parish (which is very traditional) I would guess the number of men nearly equals the number of women, on both weekday and Sunday Masses. There are also many families in attendance on Sundays and a few on weekdays. On Sundays, confessions start 1/2 hour before Mass starts and continue up to the Offertory — there are always lines and frequently people don’t get in before the priest has to leave. The choir mostly chants; there are only altar “boys”; the Mass is very reverent; homilies are faith-forming. I could go on and on but this is a glimpse of what fills churches — not women in the Curia. And, “women priests”, “nuns on the bus” and such nonsense is what empties them.
And good women would have more support as well. Such women should be elevated in our admiration, as opposed to those who present themselves as superior to other women because of suggestive clothing, or lack thereof. I hope women will someday be honored for good character again, rather than for the characteristics that can either gifts from God or purchased at your local overpriced plastic surgeon’s office in order to attract and manipulate men into doing for them that which they can and should be doing for themselves. We must teach our girls that they are valued in the eyes of God for all the right reasons, although we have unfortunately taught them to value or devalue themselves based on their sexual appeal value in the eyes of men. Viewing women as creatures chosen by God for special, worthwhile and needed roles in the world can be one of the most helpful roles the Church can teach society in general. Instead, we are taught to consider ourselves lesser creatures and encouraged to be quiet, serve others, and display ourselves as primarily sexual objects rather than first and foremost ourselves as fully human beings here to serve God and the world in its entirety, not just the needs of men to dominate us. Including in our houses of worship, sad to say, where we are allowed to clean and even arrange the flowers and do all the behind-the-scenes work, while men teach us how they want us to be in relation to themselves, not in relation to God and ourselves. Women do not have to become priests in order for us to be seen as of equal value to God and humankind, but their words and deeds should be given equal respect in the Church to help this become the way of the people in all settings, as it should be already in the 21st century – for heaven’s sake.
Obviously some words are missing or misplaced in the piece the editor seems to have chosen to print partially for reasons unknown. I assure you I do not start my rants with the word, “and,” was not completely stoned when the above was written earlier this morning. My poor English teacher, may she rest in peace, did not live her very strict life completely in vain.
There seems to always be some underlying resentment on your part toward the Catholic Church in regards to the treatment of women. If you say there is not then I would like you to clarify what you mean. Could you please give a specific example. You have mentioned this on other posts as well. How exactly do you feel women are being deprived respect by the Catholic Church’s teachings? I specified the word teachings because that should be our focus. No obedience to God…then no respect for women or men and no respect for unborn boys and unborn girls.
I agree with your plastic surgeon comments but I still think that you are missing the point. Maryanne. It is the teachings of Christ’s One True Catholic and Apostolic Church that need to be understood, admired, taught and defended. If the teachings of the Church are lived, taught and defended then men and women will value each other properly because they first valued being pleasing to God for the sake of loving God, not for the sake of first pleasing men or women or for the sake of receiving admiration from men or women.
You wrote: “Instead, we are taught to consider ourselves lesser creatures and encouraged to be quiet, serve others, and display ourselves as primarily sexual objects rather than first and foremost ourselves as fully human beings here to serve God and the world in its entirety, not just the needs of men to dominate us. Including in our houses of worship, sad to say, where we are allowed to clean and even arrange the flowers and do all the behind-the-scenes work, while men teach us how they want us to be in relation to themselves, not in relation to God and ourselves. Women do not have to become priests in order for us to be seen as of equal value to God and humankind, but their words and deeds should be given equal respect in the Church to help this become the way of the people in all settings, as it should be already in the 21st century – for heaven’s sake.”
Maryanne are you saying that the Church teaches that women are lesser creatures? Please answer that specifically. I have never once thought or felt that the Church taught me to value myself or to value other women less as women. The Church does NOT teach that. The Catholic Church teaches that we are all made in the image and likeness of God. Maryanne, that IS EQUALITY!
I will admit that there is rampant disobedience within the Church. The Catholic Church is the bride of Christ and the bride of Christ does not teach that women are of lesser value. Why are you inferring that? If you or others have been seriously harmed or ill treated, then that was done by those who disrespected God and his teachings first before they disrespected you or others.
Maryanne have you read the little paperback book called. “A Woman Clothed With the Sun.” by John Delaney. I read that book years ago and I remember the this beautiful little statement and explanation. This little gem of a book reminded us that men who are first seeking the physical beauty of women do not even realize that by their baptism they are actually inherently seeking and searching for the most lasting love and the most lasting beauty that is only contained in Mary the Mother of God, the most beautiful woman of all who is “The Woman Clothed With The Sun.”
Maryanne if we have disobedience to God and disobedience to Church teaching then men and women will not be valued in their proper roles as God intended. You are placing the cart of being respected and admired and valued before the horse of remaining obedient to God. That fidelity and obedience to Christ’s teachings solidly pulls the cart of how people treat one another. Our safest and surest road to ensuring mankind’s better treatment of each other will only come through our recognition of how important it is to first remain faithful to God. Each little glitch in the vast road of disobedience to Christ and disobedience to the teachings of his Church is the focus that we should be addressing.
Blessed Mother Teresa said that even if we (women and men) clean toilets for the dying we should do this for the love of God, not for the admiration of fellow human beings. It is not the recognition from men for brains or beauty or breasts that will get you to heaven. Why are you always being sidetracked down the primrose lane of looking for fleeting recognition that will never truly exist without obedience and love of God first. Maryanne, Your peace will come in your recognition of how each and every tiny or large act done in great love for God is extremely valuable and admirable. This is why there is so much devastation in the vineyard when a priest decides that he will first be a respecter of men before he is a respecter of God. Obedience is how we are recognized by God as being a faithful daughter or son. Since earthly admiration and recognition is often as fleeting as the faithfulness that can be exhibited in Cafeteria Catholicism as well as outright disobedience then what possible greater respect and recognition can one receive from being obedient to Christ’s Church than to be admired and chosen to spend their eternity with God and with the Blessed Mother and with all of the angels and all of the saints, which WILL include the souls of good women as well as the souls of good men. The father of lies distracts and pits men vs. women. The Catholic Church teaches that women and men are made in the image and likeness of God. Anything else is a distraction from the real cure of all ills which is Fidelity, Fidelity and Fidelity to the Teachings of Christ’s Catholic Church on earth.
Maryanne, you make perfect sense — and remind me of many holy women of old who “stirred things up” and got some men irate, only to be listed later as Saints in our Church!
Sandy writes…”Maryanne, *you make perfect sense* — and remind me of many holy women of old who “stirred things up” and got some men irate, only to be listed later as Saints in our Church! ” Written by Sandy aka another dissenting mouthpiece of the Dr. Bridget Mary Meehan’s within the Catholic Church.
Disobedience has always made perfect sense to those who have said, “I will not serve.” …..Just ask Eve. She certainly stirred things up. Eve’s feminist brand of disobedience did not bring her the affirmation that she was seeking either. Women who fail to remember the outcome of Eve’s disobedience are doomed to repeat the very same unfulfilling consequences. Their children also suffer.
Poor Eve, once she was removed from the Garden of Paradise I am quite sure that she even regretted taking her tropical paradise flower arranging abilities for granted.
Interesting comments, Maryanne and Catherine.
Folks it’s true what some say….where men are more traditional and involved, there seems to be an equal amount but I noticed where there are more abuses the dominant sex is female. Sorry to say but that has been my observation. I noticed in the more reverent and devout Catholic parishes there is an equal amount of holy and devout Catholic men and women but in many of the Roman Rite parishes, it is women who dominate. I did notice though that the more devout charismatic holy NO parish there is also a good amount of men leadership and women too. Just my observations. I notice the husbands lead their children and wife’s into prayer in the more traditional parishes.
So to me Peggy pretty much stated what I have observed as well. It’s important that our men lead and I pray for them often.
I am sad to report that the Los Angeles Archdiocese is continuing the practice of sending 2nd year seminarian students to local parishes to practice giving homilies during the Masses. Actually they say they are giving a “reflexion” and not a homily so it is ok. (Funny though, I heard a priest the other day also use the term “reflection” instead of homily during a daily Mass I attended at the cathedral.) In addition to giving the “reflection”, the seminarian students stand in in a white robe next to the priest throughout the entire Mass just as a deacon would and assist the priest at the altar. They do not help elevate the Sacred Species though, although they do kneel near the altar next to the priest just as a deacon would. Sadly, I wrongly assumed that this forbidden practice would be have been eliminated under Bishop Gomez’s watch.
On the internet search – “USCCB GIRM” or (GIRM or General Instruction of the Roman Missal).
Only a Priest or Deacon can give a homily (which immediately follows the Gospel).
Second year Seminarians have not be ordained and are still lay persons,
and can only read the Epistle prior to the Gospel, but may not preach.
In addition they may not stand at the Altar during Mass.
Under ‘General Structure of the Mass’, GIRM states:
” 66. The Homily should ordinarily be given by the Priest Celebrant himself or be entrusted by him to a concelebrating Priest, or from time to time and, if appropriate, to the Deacon, but never to a lay person.
In particular cases and for a just cause, the Homily may even be given by a Bishop or a Priest who is present at the celebration but cannot concelebrate. ”
Write to Bishop Gomez, and ask that all Parishes adhere to GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal). State the problem that you have witnessed with the name of the Parish, Date, Time of Mass, (and if possible the name of the officiating Priest).
Be sure to copy the US Papal Nuncio in Washington, DC, and if necessary the Vatican.
Archbishop Gomez has zero authority to change the Mass in any way, and neither do any of his Priests. (The USCCB has to get permission from the Vatican for any changes in the USA after a vote of the US Bishops.)
For those interested, you can actually purchase a copy of GIRM for yourself and/or your Parish Priest’s office.
(I donated a copy to my Parish office as a sample – since they order and sell religious items.)
Tracy, there is nothing wrong with seminarians wearing an alb (white robe) and assisting the priest at the altar — if girls and boys can do it as altar servers, young men can certainly do so.
Plus, they need the training.
As for giving a “reflection” at Mass, they need to learn how to preach, not only to teach other in class, but also to us regular folks in the pews — our seminarians are then given feedback (by the celebrants, the congregation, etc.) so the Bishop can find out if these young men have the gift of preaching. If they are not evaluated DURING their formation years as seminarians, when?
I know you are correct about the regulations regarding lay people preaching (and seminarians are lay people), but in this case I think it’s a good idea to “bend” the rules a little bit so we can make sure we get good homilists for our church.
We all had high hopes in Archbishop Gomez, only to see those hope crushed!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Just how many rules are you willing to see “BENT”?
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher
Michael, I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with a seminarian wearing an alb as the altar servers do. That being said I have never seen an altar server sit in the position of a deacon, which is usually a chair placed next to the priest, nor have I ever seen an altar server stand in the position of a deacon, which is near the priest at the altar, during the entire Eucharistic Prayer.
The only difference seen between these seminarian students and Deacons is twofold: 1) the seminarian students do not wear the sash across their shoulder (I apologize for not knowing the correct term for this) and 2) they do not hold up the chalice during the great amen. Other than this they act no differently than Deacons.
I only have this to say in regards to your concern that these students need to practice. Obviously, the out right disobedience to Church teaching doesn’t seem to be a problem with you. I would compare this logic to those that say that a couple should live together before marriage to see if they have what it takes to make a marriage work. I could say more, but I would only hope that you would rethink your apparent disdain for following rules.
My answer to all this Novus Ordo confusion is TLM.
Everything is defined in TLM, no confusion.
Michael, yes seminarians can act as Altar Servers (Altar Boys) only. The age of the server does not matter and is not limited.
When you bend the rules a “little” you are asking for the corruption of the Mass.
And people have not come to Mass to be guinea pigs for someone who may or may not be ordained.
And this affects the grace of our Lord Jesus, the love of the God Father, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit exactly how?
As a practice forbidden by the Church, it breaks fellowship with the Holy Spirit.
Hmm…I rather think the Holy Spirit is about to take care of Himself and does not mind listening to these young men preach, as they get ready to give their lives to serving God, God’s Church, and God’s people.
Sandy, when Priests violate the requirements of Christ’s Church, they are not united with the Holy Spirit.
Priests (and Bishops) must be obedient, which is part of their vows.
It is the Souls attending the Mass that need good teaching from the homilies. Potential Priests can practice with each other outside of Mass.
It sounds like you are also coming out to lobby for disobedience and women.
Such a practice reflects some rather dulled down minds running the training program. Priests are meant to convey the voice of God so why do they have to rehearse it? Makes no sense. If a young man is faithful and informed and motivated and of normal character, then how could there be any problem giving a sermon? There couldn’t be … There is no need to violate Church tradition and law for such an absurd idea that the seminarian has to practice first. It tells me they are more about being Hollywood stars than about being real priests.
If your Parish office sells religious articles, make certain they have the following available within view to peruse, and then can be ordered for people upon request –
1) Catholic Bible;
2) Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition;
3) GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal);
4) Code of Canon Law Annotated, Second Edition;
5) Daily Missal (with 2011 updated changes);
6) 1962 Missal (for the Latin Mass).
These will help everyone to know and understand our Faith, and to be obedient to the Magisterium.
Obedience is sadly lacking in the USA (in part due to poor catechesis).
I thought that most of our Priests and Bishops have all these? I wonder why some are still not obedient to our Lord? Even with them studying and reading. It still gets to me. Maybe some are lacking something much deeper….that even through their learning the faith that some continue to disobey our Lord. Wish they would walk, talk, breath and get to know Jesus more on a personal level through their prayer life.
“And he shall be filled with the spirit of the fear of the Lord. He shall not judge according to the sight of the eyes, nor reprove according to the hearing of the ears” Isaiah 11:3
“And there shall be faith in thy times: riches of salvation, wisdom and knowledge: the fear of the Lord is his treasure.” Isaiah 33:6
Let’s pray for the young seminarians and for all men discerning a vocation to the priesthood. This was encouraging news, especially after reading this morning that former priest Oliver O’Grady of the Stockton diocese, whose 20 year career as a child abuser has nearly bankrupted the Stockton diocese, is now sitting in a Dublin, Ireland prison serving a three year sentence for possessing child pornography….this after serving six years in a CA prison for sex crimes against Catholic children in the Stockton diocese. He continues to receive his annuity paid for by the Stockton diocese.
If this is accurate, the people of the Stockton Diocese need to stand up are refuse to donate money – that will be used to pay this man’s annuity.
(Since I do not live in the Stockton Diocese, I have no way of verifying your story.)
I can’t think of one thing that’s been eliminated under Abp. Gomez. The Church needs MUCH stronger leadership.
The Abp needs to clean out all employees of his Diocese who do not sign a contract that they will adhere to the teachings in the CCC.
Then he needs to get the backbone to do his own job rather than being involved in Lay politics.
So great to see such young men next to the Archbishop of our Lady’s City. Now you all know who is lurking around these men waiting to dovour them should they let him in. Pray for them, and hope aganist hope that St. John’s has been refromed.
Becouse if its not been refromed, these kids might end up confusing many souls by the time they are done.
But our Lady’s heart will triumph! Eventually.
Let’s hope after many years otherwise, that some of these guys are native-born Americans. Thanks to you Latinos, Asians, and Africans, now how about some fellows from the largest Catholic diocese in the world………LOS ANGELES!