The following comes from an August 10 Pewsitter article by Frank Walker:
On August 8th, the Catholic Diocese of Orange held a presentation and community forum to promote Pope Francis’ Climate Change Encyclical. This event was part of a local and national marketing effort by the Catholic church to convince millions of American Catholics of why they should support the Pope’s encyclical.
Many Catholics see this encyclical as a political statement reaching far beyond the boundaries of Catholic doctrine. Over 20 protesters lined up along Chapman Ave. at the entrance to Christ Cathedral to protest the event as well as the Pope’s climate change encyclical.
The purpose of the forum was billed as “a focus on the theology of the encyclical, the global impact of climate change on the poor, and to help build a scientific understanding of climate change and offer a context for how we can begin to address this seminal issue in our own lives and society.” The forum included presentations by Sister Nadine McGuinness (St. Joseph Center-Orange), Tony Strawa, PdD, Catholic Climate Change Ambassador and Joan Rosenhauer, Catholic Relef Services.
The event was attended by approximately 125 local Catholics and was video taped by one of the activists (see below).
In part 3 of the forum, Joan Rosenhauer of Catholic Relief Services exposed the political extortion by the Pope and Catholic church to bully the U.S. into pushing for more of Obama’s aggressive Climate Change policy and to push the U.S. into giving billion of dollars to the United Nations to promote social justice.
Many in attendance were angry that there was no opportunity for question/answer. Questions had to be submitted via question cards however the moderator made it clear that there would be “no discussion or debate” of the science! To quote one of the attendees “the bishop’s job is to shepherd souls to their eternal salvation and the Pope’s job is even more solumn to the entire world. What went on at this forum was NOT Catholic!” One attendee became so enraged at the content and lack of questions that he stood up and shouted his disagreement. The bishop did not return to the event for closing prayer, perhaps due to the protests and outrage that was quite apparent.
The following video was posted on YouTube by one of the protesters on August 8. The interruption begins at about minute 11:45:
“extortion” “bullying”. Really, this is how you describe the Pope’s actions? Really?
Disagree with the Pope you might, but using this kind of language to refer to the Pope and his encycals shows how low some will stoop.
Yes, “Your Fellow Catholic”, raising taxes under the pretext of “environmental justice” to “redistribute wealth” is extortion. Demonizing capitalism and wealthy people is bullying. So is suggesting that weapons manufacturers are going to hell.
Yes, and I think one could add the many predictions of utter catastrophe that never came true, and Gerry Brown’s bombastic assertions that the survival of humanity is threatened if we don’t act immediately if not sooner to combat this so called problem. Trying to scare people so the Al Gores can jet around the world and live in 28000 ft homes is bullying.
The Prophets of old used to call out religious leaders publicly. Our Lord Jesus Christ most certainly did.
Using the Chair of Peter and the Catholic Church to push agendas that have nothing to do with the Faith could be argued, and reasonably so, as exceedingly low. Especially when debate and normal q/a is disallowed. And most especially when those in power know full well that they are overstepping themselves.
Ann, thank you, agreed.
Ann ….This guy who yelled didn’t come across to me as a prophet. And the guy who filmed it is clearly a fundamentalist Protestant anti-Catholic bigot.
@ Anonymous the man who filmed it is sadly a fallen away Catholic… You could thank the corruption and heresies in the Church for the “spiritual abortions” these last fifty years.
No one is aborted from the Church. People walk away of their own free will.
Excellent response Susanne! Thank you for enlightening Catholics about this real life version of the horror movie titled ‘The Invasion of the Body Snatchers.’ The trance induced crowd robotically drowned out the faithful man who yelled out, “This is not Catholic.”
One of the Silva-like mind control recycling indoctrinators in the video said that she hadn’t seen a water fountain since grade school. Try selling that mother earth violin tune to faithful Catholics who in many cases have NOT seen solid Catholic Teaching or solid Catholic leadership since grade school.
“Spiritual abortion” – thank you, Susanne, for speaking very clearly about the fruits of the ongoing crisis of corruption and heresy.
….and yet we still have those who would posit that because those in authority do not declare a state of crisis or emergency that there is none.
God have mercy on us.
Anonymous, God will use whatever and whoever He wills when necessary. This man in the video and even the one filming, may not ‘look’ like a prophet ‘to you’. But that’s the point. We have become so blinded that we do not know what to look for, but cast our human expectations into the Divine and expect God’ to chasten according to our constructs.
Jesus was rejected by many because he didn’t look like the messiah who would give them temporal dominion over Rome. His was a message they couldn’t understand because the people, much thanks to the Pharisees, had come to expect a military leader who would conquer and put the Jews on top of the world.
Don’t forget Numbers 22:28 when it comes to what you ‘think’ is a prophet or…
… one who is doing God’s will. The truth is the truth, friend. It should be welcomed as an accurate diagnosis, even if shocking, is the first step to healing.
Perhaps Our Lord is using his scandalized sheep to upbraid those who would profane and change his doctrine. If Balaam’s ass can be used to correct and chasten, who are you to say these men cannot be used?
That is pure fantasy.
A person having a temper tantrum because he attended a lecture with his own agenda and did not get a chance to give voice to his issues is not a prophet.
It would seem to me that the prophet is the one who is telling the world to get back to God or face inevitable destruction.
It is pure fantasy, Anonymous, that you don’t understand that that is precisely what the man was telling folks to do. Obviously your senses are skewed, for what things ‘seem’ to you is very odd and not Catholic.
I’m getting tired of the whole really cliche’, yfc…time to crank out something less hackneyed. Realllllly? Yes, reeeeeeally.
When a Pope mixes “Doctrine of the Faith” with his own
personal political positions,
he confuses people and teaches error.
It causes scandal, because part of his statements are NOT Doctrine of the Faith.
It is best said by the late Cardinal George.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-george-on-pope-francis-why-doesnt-he-clarify
….that’s why there’s a state of crisis, Ted, and why Bishop Schneider rightfully points out that there is no real reason to deny the SSPX jurisdiction.
The Pope should use official Church documents only to teach the Faith. These encyclicals should never be used to promote his own error-filled personal political and economic beliefs.
He needs to stick to Doctrine of the Faith and Morals.
The Pope needs to get back to Saving Souls, and insisting that all Bishops and Priests do the same – accurately and completely according to the CCC.
Until he cleans his own house, it is a joke that he tries to clean the houses of governments. He is losing credibility even amongst Catholics.
I watched the video and I think whoever posted it should have the man’s permission. Sometimes people get upset and do things they regret later and it does not need to be put online to embarrass them.
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The man was shouting: I want my Church back, I want my Church back! Humbly I would suggest that I would like my Church back too. This Mahonian, Barack Husseinian, Franciscan/Peronista radical transformation does not lift my boat.
It ain’t his Church and it ain’t yours. It’s GOD’s.
It is God’s Church. Hallelujah, brother/sister. And that is preciesely why all the Faithful should be speaking up out of a sense of duty against this blatant hijack. For goodness sake, Anonymous, the religious sister in the presentation tells Catholics to get over thinking they have dominion over the earth when God Himself declared as much.
Do you understand what it means for a Catholic Bishop to sit in company of a religious sister on his watch to see said sister teach that which is blatantly against the Catholic Faith? That is being an accessory at the least and being a misguided Judas at the worst.
Speaking out clearly is showing all those making the presentation the utmost in Christlike charity. Our Lord used a whip to…
… drive His message home when God’s house was being defiled. What do you think is going on here?
Gratias, you live in L.A? I’m so sorry.
I think the editors should reconsider the screenshot they grabbed unless they have the man’s permission to use it.
I was at this conference and the nun spoke like she was some new age Wiccan high priestess, she had a hypnotic tone to her voice. I spoke to a religious sister at the StJoseph sisters of Orange in lobby after the conference about the Planned Parenthood videos.. she said she hasn’t seen them.. and that she has never prayed in front of an abortion clinic but she is against the death penalty and protests that. The gentleman who spoke out was right on the mark! This conference was using thought control. There was no open mic for the panel discussion. Yes Catholic Relief services gives to pro abortion and artificial birth control organizations. I approached the Catholic Relief services table and the gentleman their angrily denied the claim…
“Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion, General Principles” – Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict) 2004
” 3. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia.
For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion.
While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment.
There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics…
ABORTION is the torture and murder of INNOCENT human beings for the convenience of others. – approx. 1 Million each year in the USA.
The DEATH PENALTY is permitted by the Catholic Church for heinous criminals to protect others from unjust aggressors – including protection of other prisoners and prison employees. In 2014, 35 heinous criminals were executed in the USA per FBI statistics.
I take issue with the the ‘sister’ having stated that man must give up the notion of having dominion over the earth. That would contradict scripture.
For while the sister – who looks little like one – advocates that the earth belongs to God, she negates the reality that God gave dominion over the earth to mankind. So she may want to pretend that God is the sole owner of the Earth to manipulate others to her earth agenda, but she negates the word and authority of God Himself in doing so. But negating the word of God seems to be the way of leadership these days.
Thank you, Susanne, for your due diligence in stomaching the whole of this conference and bearing witness to what you saw. I would have likely been tossed out for…
God did not give mankind dominion over the earth. Better give that Bible verse another look. It is in Genesis 1 verses 26 and 28.
Then you should look up the definition of dominion.
You also might want to look at Psalm 24:1 before you start falsely accusing people of contradicting Scripture.
Douay-Rheims Bible Genesis 1:26
And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth.
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So yes, Anonymous, the Lord decreed that man should have dominion over the Earth. And all creation belongs to God which is why He has the lawful right to determine who can rule over it. You may want to get a better understanding of what Scripture says and means. Not knowing and just going along is precisely what has led to this nonsense
The good sister contradicted scripture.
Since you were able to find a translation of the Bible that said “and the whole earth” I will give it to you. but since most Bible translations do not you should not falsely condemn the sister.
It is no false accusation, Anonymous.
Beware of the ‘translation’ for changing words and/or leaving them out is leaving Catholics completely ignorant of what the bible actually says. And don’t forget the anathema called down in the context of the bible itself for those who – change the words, omit words, and/or skew meaning.
The sister is expected to know the Faith, not just the latest version with all the edits, omissions, and reworks intended again to mislead. It is her job to know, much like it is the JOB of the bishop.
Oh, Ann, me too. ha Wouldn’t it have been great to join this man’s voice in support? I can hit the back walls with my voice from my theater training and everyone would have been pretty nonplussed for the nonce. I was only a state away…if I’d known I could have tried a microphone like the little Who on the dust mite that Horton heard. We Who’s need to get together and raise a ruckus..’.it’s our Church and we can’t take it any more! We want our Church back! We worship God in the Trinity, not nature…we are here!”
Maybe we could start our own ‘Who’ movement – Catholics for God. It might be just a little whisper at first, but it would grow and grow, I’ve no doubt.
Catholics for God! Pro-God’s Word. The Blessed Trinity Alliance!
We could Rosary bomb, that is actually pray the Rosary in support of Catholic doctrine instead of using the Our Father to negate His words. All the Hipsters would want to join because everyone knows how unique and radical it is for Catholics to actually believe in Catholicism.
Good to have you back posting ;^)
Perhaps Suzanne would consider writing an article on this conference. I only saw the video posted on line and found what I saw highly disturbing. It would be useful to have a better description of what went on from first person point of view.
Check out Lepanto Institute and the Heartland Institute for the truth about these organizations and faulty science. I also suggest you watch the full length video at
https://youtu.be/bMnL-E5HfvQ
Then you will clearly understand why this courageous faithful Catholic man spoke out the way he did! God bless him, we need more faithful Catholic men like him!
I’m sorry but that was not a faithful Catholic man. If he had been a faithful Catholic he would have prayed with the other people. This guy was just out of control and nobody should be making a hero out of him.
Faithful Catholics learn the Faith to include scripture. Having a religious sister advocate that Catholics need to get over thinking they have dominion over the earth is an agenda – and not a Catholic one.
Using prayer as a means of silencing the truth is disgusting.
The prayer was to protect because the man was threatening someone. The prayer worked.
The prayer was used to drown out the potential of the lecture attendees from hearing, and heaven forbid, understanding the truth of what the man was saying.
God gave man dominion over the earth. The conference was promoting a blatant lie. And using prayer and intimidation to shout down truth or to keep one’s lies from being questioned is EVIL.
Much like your continue defense of it.
I was there! He was not threating anyone. If anything the organizers of the event were threating to him and to those who dare speak out. The speakers were spouting heresy and lies about science. Bishop Vann said the conference was about dialogue and debate. He didn’t even have the decency to stay for the entire conference. He was scheduled to give the closing” prayer”. The organizers of this event didn’t allow dialogue or debat, it was all thought controlled. This is the same thing that happened at the Vatican back in April. Check out Heartland Institute and watch the videos on it.
@ Anonymous, the man who spoke out is a Hero! I have been reading many of the comments on other blogs and websites and talking with people who saw it. There will be faithful Catholics all over the country speaking out like this now on. People have had enough of the heresies and lies. People have had enough of the abuse and the fleecing of our hard earned money to support the lifestyles of these shepherds and people who teach and promote liberation theology and a false science.
All praise to God.
I have been at church meetings where people get out of control and it is uncomfortable and can be scary.
You should not glamorize what that man did.
James 3:17
You shouldn’t lie about it. Nobody was threatening anybody.
Shame on you, Anonymous.
“You better back up.” 12:30
There is no threat in letting someone know that they need to keep out of another’s personal space, Anonymous. There is such a thing as provoking.
Thanks Susanne…excellent!
This conference was leftist propaganda dressed up in Catholic terminology. That tactic was heavily used by Juan and Eva (“Evita”) Perón in Argentina. The Washington Post recently published an article about Pope Francis and his connection with the Perònists. I’m providing the link, below.
The way they drowned out the protester by having the crowd stand and recite The Lord’s Prayer and the Hail Mary was extremely creepy and cult-like. It called to mind movies like “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” where the protagonist who knows what the truth is expected to either assimilate into the mind-numbed collective or be silenced. The urgency of the protester also reminded me of the urgent warning at the end of Soylent Green: “Soylent Green…
The way they drowned out the protester by having the crowd stand and recite The Lord’s Prayer and the Hail Mary was extremely creepy and cult-like. It called to mind movies like “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” where the protagonist who knows what the truth is expected to either assimilate into the mind-numbed collective or be silenced. The urgency of the protester also reminded me of the urgent warning at the end of Soylent Green: “Soylent Green is people!”
I’ve seen the same appeal to “prayerful unity”-mind-and-thought-control (suddenly asking everyone to recite the Our Father, Hail Mary) whenever the in-chargers at a diocese-sponsored meeting get challenged. I also saw it before in a similar fashion in other dioceses. Antonio Gramsci always said the way to destroy the Catholic Church was from the inside, appealing to false obedience and the “pray-pay-and-obey” mentality. You are not to speak: you are there to listen, obey and pay them their salaries, Serf.
Oh: And just don’t you try to suddenly stand up during one of their indoctrination sessions and try the “Our Father” appeal. A nice man in a uniform will very soon take you away by the arm and then present you with some…
You can’t understand Pope Francis without Juan Perón — and Evita – The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/you-cant-understand-pope-francis-without-juan-peron–and-evita/2015/08/01/d71e6fa4-2fd0-11e5-a879-213078d03dd3_story.html
Indeed. The Franciscan Pontificate is about bringing Peronismo to the whole of Sister Earth.
No air conditioning Sin, please.
If you are old enough to remember, this reaction against Laudato Si is very similar to the reaction against Humanae Vitae. The devil does not want you to understand and obey.
AH yes obey only the leftist dictates…
You are free not to obey (not leftist, but Catholic) but there are temporal and eternal consequences.
They are leftist just like this Pope and they are hardly Catholic….and if I burn in Hell for having a gas furnace and not solar panels then God is not worth worshiping and want nothing to do with.
This is just ridiculous. The protestors are ” fundamentalist Catholics” who advocate for a legalistic style understanding of the Church – much like some fundamentalist Muslims seek to impose Sharia law on all.
That remark was not only totally inappropriate, bob, but also utterly repellent. The more you share your thoughts the more you reveal the sheer want of understanding, compassion or perception. Wow, comparing an orthodox Catholic to a fundamentalist muslim is truly shocking. You’re a scary guy, Bob.
As my brother often says, this fellow was in serious need of some good cop like attention.
Your brother is wrong, this guy is expressing the frustration of us orthodox Catholics.
It sounds to me like this conference was poorly handled! As the subject matter (climate change) of the Pope’s recent encyclical is controversial– yet the Pope is calling everyone worldwide, to moral responsibility– that is good, but the controversy of the encyclical should be viewed honestly! With no arguments, as there is no scientific proof, on this subject! A brief 15 minute presentation, would do the job! Better yet– a brief little write-up, in the Christ Cathedral’s Sunday bulletin! So, what else can one do?? Go home, and forget about all of this!
In his encyclical, the Pope goes way to far with his personal opinions, and actually violates the Faith.
He advocates for a one world government with law making, policing & enforcement, and taxing powers.
See ‘LAUDATO SI’ # 175 & 177.
The Pope has no business mixing his personal political opinion with Church Doctrine and pretending that they are the same.
Since when did preservation of our planet not become a moral issue? Politicians may yak about it, but it really isn’t a political issue. Our climate is changing, as it has many times in the past. Freshman science teaches that. Our moral duty is to not contribute to the speedup of the change in harmful ways. That is a pretty simple idea. In this country, perhaps more than any other industrial nation, people don’t believe in science if it interferes with their political beliefs. But, science is true, even if you don’t believe it.
Global warming theory is entirely specious, “Bob One”. Oh, to be sure, the Earth may be warming, or not, but it is far more likely to be the result of Sun activity, or other causes, than being man-made.
Of course, the “settled science” crowd never did like debate, so once they announced their conclusion, they then said that “no more debate is allowed”. Pretty much what all totalitarian movements say, once they have achieved some level of influence. Junk-ball science, and not evern good at that; but it did make fat poseurs, like Al Gore, piles of money.
This is a site for people with reasoned, educated theories. Absolutely, Bob One. If you do not see the connection between this environmental emotion drive to undermine Catholic Faith and Morals, then you are neither reasoned nor educated to the realities of life, friend, let alone the Catholic Faith.
You ask where the logic is. That is the million dollar question.
For a Catholic Church that from the top down continually advocates for that which goes against the perennial teaching of the Catholic Church is illogical. Bob One wins the prize for today!
If you don’t know what people are talking about, maybe you should step back, ask questions, and attempt to connect the dots by way of logic instead of just sucking down the…
“If you do not see the connection between this environmental emotion drive to undermine Catholic Faith and Morals, then you are neither reasoned nor educated to the realities of life, friend, let alone the Catholic Faith.”
This is a fallacious argument.
You must prove that the Catholic Faith and it Moral teaching is being undermined (or explain the risk of it) rather than just insulting someone who can’t see your point. Your point may not be correct if you cannot give any explanation for it.
… happy juice of what those who allow you to distribute Holy Communion tell you. That’s placating, Bob One, not instructing. Kind of like bread and circuses.
Well, I guess I need educating! Tell me how wanting to treat the earth with care is undermining the Catholic Faith and Morals. I’ve been around a long time, and know the realities of life. I just can’t make your connection Ann Malley. Please describe how it is happening.
Yes Bob One and the science says there is not an iota of evidence that climate change so called is being caused by man, not one. Its all based on corrupt computer models, You are right Bob One I don’t believe false theories that result in an increase in my cost of living..
Evidence of mocking Catholic Tradition and faithful Cardinal Burke
Bob One says:
August 4, 2013 at 9:37 am
The picture of Cardinal Burke says it all! Where does he find those 15th century outfits. It speaks so much of not being part of the Catholic church, and being a part of the old traditions. It is things like this that drive people away from the true church to the evangelicals etc. Dressing up like that makes it all about him and not about Christ. When I was in first or second grade kids would dress up and “play” Mass. It looks like he saved his play cloths.
Ouch.
Taken from Heartland Institute
By Gene Koprowski – August 10, 2015
‘Naomi Klein Admits in Her Climate Change Screed that ‘Global Warming’ is All About Anti-Capitalist Polemics, And Has Nothing to Do, Really, With Science | Somewhat Reasonable’
https://blog.heartland.org/2015/08/naomi-klein-admits-in-her-climate-change-screed-that-global-warming-is-all-about-anti-capitalist-polemics-and-has-nothing-to-do-really-with-science/
You REALLY misunderstand what the Pope wrote if you think he is calling for “one world gverornment.”
CCC: “2442 It is NOT the role of the Pastors of the Church to intervene directly in the political structuring and organization of social life.
This task is part of the vocation of the lay faithful, acting on their own initiative with their fellow citizens. ….. “
CCC 2442 continued
Social action can assume various concrete forms. It should always have the common good in view and be in conformity with the message of the Gospel and the teaching of the Church. It is the role of the laity “to animate temporal realities with Christian commitment, by which they show that they are witnesses and agents of peace and justice.”
The whole section on the 7th commandment is important. It begins with CCC 2401.
PETE, I have a hard time with you stating what you rightfully do here only to label Pilar a Sedevecantist on another thread. Please, take off the false obedience blinders, and look to the reality of what others are saying. These “complaints” you decry are nothing more than the observed basis by which the hierarchy is now inserting “opinion” amid doctrine and trying to foist it on us as Catholic.
There is no such thing as false obedience. There is obedience and disobedience.
False obedience is obeying something which is sinful, Anonymous. Had you been a judge at the Nuremberg trials, would you have let everyone go because they were only ‘obeying’ orders?
Try asking questions in future and perhaps you’ll learn something.
We are not being asked to sin.
Obscuring the Faith with an admixture of opinion, unsettled ‘science’, Protestantism, and the climate change agenda that advocates for abortion, birth control and euthanasia is sinful, Anonymous.
You may be on board with following the orders to ignore the mission statement given to us by Christ, but others are not. The Catholic sprinkles added to the top of the latest offering of Papal Encyclicals is no longer enough to hide the substance of the compromise meal being proffered.
There is no such thing as false obedience. There is only obedience and disobedience.
We should disobey in matters of SINFULNESS.
* * * * The Pope’s personal opinions which have nothing to do with the Doctrine of the Faith (as stated in the CCC)
in matters of Faith and Morals are matters of lay prudential judgment, and we are NOT OBLIGED to ADHERE to them.
CCC: ” 2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty,
if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. ………”
CCC 2267 continued
“If, instead, bloodless means are sufficient to defend against the aggressor and to protect the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
“Today, in fact, given the means at the State’s disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender ‘today … are very rare, if not practically non-existent.'[John Paul II, Evangelium vitae 56.]
Anonymous, you are NOT accurately quoting from the official “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, second edition” promulgated by Pope John Paul II on Aug 15, 1997.
(Dark green cover in the USA.)
Do NOT be FALSE in any of your quotes from Doctrine of the Faith – CCC.
ALL Words are important.
God bless that man who has the grace to deny Francis’ climate rubbish. Watch for a total rupture when Francis visits the UN and makes the case for global (wink, wink) “sustainable development” goals (eh, eh). Alinsky, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
I don’t think calling the Cathedral “the courtyard of evil” and ranting at a conference is going to win any Catholics over to this gentleman’s position. In fact, it makes those who oppose what was being presented seem completely unhinged and irrational.
That having been said, I wouldn’t walk across the street for a CRS presentation on climate change. If you like what was being said here and the accompanying political agenda, give to CRS and its annual Lenten appeal. If you don’t like it, then don’t. CRS cannot be reformed without a thorough housecleaning, beginning with its CEO, Carolyn Woo.
He got people talking about it all, didn’t he Dave? That was his object…to get it ‘out there’. What would you suggest, writing a letter to the pope?
The fear of looking unhinged and irrational often makes Hamlets out of otherwise strong men, making waste of us all, Dave. It is way past time the gloves came off.
You don’t even go to the Catholic Church. You are just trolling.
And you are selling out the Faith to feel safe inside a building. Sorry, Anonymous, but Catholics are called to uphold the Faith despite your fears….. or the demonic use of that which is holy just because somebody told you to.
I wish you would uphold the Faith instead of trying to undermine it. There is ONE HOLY CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
The Catholic Faith is not a building. It is the Mystical Body of Christ. We do not believe in an invisible Church. You must be united with the Pope. He is the sign of unity by which all may know that they are in the Holy Catholic Church. That being said-anyone can put up a picture of the Pope and pray for him, but if they do not submit to his authority, they are not really in union with him or are in an imperfect union with him. Just like the married and divorced. They are not excommunicated but their union has been compromised to the point that they cannot receive communion. And it is not about feeling safe. You trivialize faithfulness.
Upholding the Faith is more than staying inside a building and “obeying” only to reject what the Church actually teaches and/or downplay it until Catholics are shocked to learn/hear that homosexual sex, abortion, birth control, etc are grave sins.
So wish away, Anonymous, but look to your own lack first. Work on yourself first. If you were wholly faithful then your witness would draw followers and not the call out of inconsistency that is nothing but wretched scandal run amok.
As for upholding the Faith, many here do and that is precisely why the uneducated sheep find it so horrifying. They don’t know what the Faith is outside of cutting, pasting, and extolling their own facade of fidelity.
This was Martin Luther’s thought process too, Ann Malley. You might want to read more about him and how he came to justify his break with Rome, and why he – and you – are wrong.
….your estimation of what constitutes a break with Rome is what needs to be reviewed here, YFC. Keeping the Faith and rejecting novelty while continuing to acknowledge that the Pope is the lawful Head of the Catholic Church is no imitation of Martin Luther.
The thought of Martin Luther was to change what the Church teaches to accommodate sin. THAT is wrong.
Ann Malley, I hope God will forgive you for your many sins when you finally repent of them. I have confidence that he will. I cannot help but notice that you can never support any of your positions but just try demean people who you do not agree with. By doing so, you prove that you are not faithful. So it is really not working on any level.
Ann Malley,can you express your opinions with respect instead of bullying?
Why are the opponents of Laudato Si never honest?
Following your ‘reasoning’ anonymous person, why is grass purple or anonymous people sneaky? Say what?!
“Why are the opponents of Laudato Si never honest?” : Now, there is a fair and objective question.
I prefer however the original classic way of phrasing it: “Have you stopped beating your wife?”
The Pope violated the Doctrine of the Faith in ‘Laudato Si’ – # 175 & 177 supporting a One World Government with law making, policing and enforcement, and taxing powers.
(In addition Sustainable Development Goals SDG’s include Abortion and Contraception which both violate the Doctrine of the Faith.)
Abortion – CCC # 2271, 2272, 2274, 2322.
Contraception – CCC # 2399, 2370.
DOTTIE, he did NOT support “One World Government”.
Here it is: ‘LAUDATO SI’ https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html
# 175, & # 177.
Any organization that has:
law making, policing, enforcing, and taxing powers over the entire world – is ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT in anyone’s language.
That is not what I would call a one-world government.
“Marketing effort” – now, that phrase is telling!!
I would have protested also. Pope Francis’ document is based on faulty silence. It was his “15 minutes worth of fame”, as the saying goes. It should have been used against the likes of Planned Parenthood or to call all godly Christian men & women to fight against orthodox, classical, historic, fundamentalist Islam. The slaughter of Christians across the Middle East and of Innocents within the woimb should have taken top billing in the Pope’s attention – when this one, so they tell us, has the world’s ear.
“Marketing effort”, indeed.
The Pope jumped the gun (and the shark) with Laudato Si!
Once again, widely accepted science is proven wrong. Scientists aren’t always right, even when there is a consensus among scientists. Man-made global warming alarmists: take note! (See below)
Morning Meals and Weight Gain: Are Government Breakfast Guidelines Wrong?
https://www.yahoo.com/health/morning-meals-and-weight-gain-are-government-126370020292.html
The guy who took the video, I found out was unfortunatly a Protestant, who goes around to different political and religious events to expose corruption. He was asked to by several faithful Catholics to take off his “commentary”. How ever he was nice enough to put up a full length video with out his commentary. I posted the link to it in one of my comments above. I know for a fact that the Catholic man who spoke out at the Cathedral event has no relationship to the man who made the YouTube video. There needed to be more faithful Catholics at this event! It is a shame that this Protestant man is being scandalized by the heresy and scandals inside the Church, we all are to blame in some way for it, for not doing more to defend the Church…
And not holding the hierarchy and clergy responsible.
Yes the conference was poorly handled.! There was no open dialogue or debate. This is exactly what the Vatican apparatus did when it hosted a conference along with the UN at the Vatican back in April of this year. Check out this information over at the Heartland Institute, there are videos there explaining all of it.
Laudato Si at its roots is not good! The advisors behind it are pro abortion pro population control pro same sex marriage pro Marxists/ Communist and believe in Gaia worship they want to create a new world socialist utopia! Pope Francis needs to rescind it immediatly!
@C & H. Being a useful idiot for the socialist elite will eventually land a person in jail or worse….
@ Bob oh stop with the Saul Alinsky “Rules for Radicals” tactics.
DottieDay: I’m glad someone else understands and sees what’s coming. Thank you.
As I watched the video, I was struck at how emotional the man got. Then I realized that if I was in his shoes, I probably would have gotten just as emotional. This whole transformation into an eco-conscious politically-correct church that substitutes tolerance for mercy is wearing thin and is, frankly embarrassing. Bishop Sheen’s prophetic predictions about the future of the Church seem to be coming true.
Good post, “Square, Uncool Catholic”.
There will be great indignation to any public opposition to dopy Church policies and practices, as this fine Catholic man gave. But such opposition is absolutely necessary. Drawing attention to evil always is hated, but ultimately is successful.
Dana: if this protestor would have pulled this stunt at the annual Napa Conference (a conference for conservative Catholics), he would have been thrown out on his head. Think about it.
Fred, pray God that there would be at least one who would stand up in protest of such bunk were it presented in such fashion amid those who call themselves Conservative Catholics. Just calling oneself Catholic and/or Conservative regardless of what one actually promotes has got to stop.
Yeah all that means is that liberals are scared of their own shadows……
I’ll state the obvious, Fred…he wouldn’t have been emotionally overwrought at the Napa Conference. He would have been hearing truth, faithfulness and well-stated and well-thought-out theological ideas. Think about it. On the other hand, I went to a summer conference at Franciscan Univ. a while ago and the music was so loud and very protestant sounding that I wanted to scream…as a matter of fact I could have jumped up on my seat and shouted the Russians were coming and I doubt if anyone would have noticed. But I digress. heh
From what I can gather on the web, the activist who wrote the story is from the Tea Party. Apparently, they believe it is pro-Obama or something. The protesters are called “patriots” on their website.
Here is the video of the protesters out in front of Christ Cathedral.
https://youtu.be/p0klEAc6DUQ
The one thing that disturbed me about what the sister said was that “all creation was created in the image of God” when the Bible clearly states that it is mankind that is created in the image of God. The former sounds an awful lot like pantheism. She attributed her statement to Pope Francis. I am reading his encyclical on the environment now and have not come across such an idea yet. I will keep reading to see if she just twisted what he wrote.
She may be referring to Laudato Si 238-240.
I think she did not present is accurately as she could have. I think she did err by using the particular phrasing from Genesis to describe all of creation.
Anonymous, after reading the passages you mentioned, you are probably right. The Holy Bible, especially the Psalms, clearly say that all creation shows forth the glory of God their creator, but it does not say that creation is the image of God as it does of mankind. More than likely she used a bad choice of words. I will read on and suggest that others do too. They can probably find the whole encyclical on line, although it is easier on my eyes to read in booklet or book form.
Thank you for your reply and for reading the encyclical.
I guess it would have been better if I had written “mankind was created in the image of God”. Although we certainly have been given dominion over the earth, the Lord does want us to be good stewards of the earth. That is not always an easy task as the need for jobs and a good healthy environment often clash. “Waste not want not” is still as true as it ever was. Another thing that is often left out is that such things as the sewage from the birth control pill is helping to destroy our environment too. I wonder if that was brought up at this conference.
When it becomes universally clear that Man in unable to cause Global Warming the Commies will point to Laudato Sii and say it was all the Catholics’ fault. We have been paying for 400 years for mixing God and Science in the Galileo affair. Pope Francis is bringing us to déjà vu all over again. And this is fake science while Galileo was serious, so it will be worse.
Ah, yes, the Catholic hierarchy is just FAMOUS for promoting abortion.
Get a clue, poeple!!
This is ridiculous: the bishops are always speaking up for pro-life causes, but no one listens.
Yes, it is the Pope’s and Bishops, job to Save Souls. The “WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION” (WHO) is a specialized agency of the UNITED NATIONS (UN) that is concerned with international public health.
It supports, funds, and trains people in providing “safe” ABORTIONS
https://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/topics/unsafe_abortion/en/
and Contraception.
https://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/publications/family_planning/mec-wheel-5th/en/
So how does the UN help Save Souls?
Regarding my last posts, so far I find nothing that says “all” creation was created in the image of God. Here is what I have found so far about this:
#65, partially: “God saw everything that he had made, and behold it was very good.” (Genesis: 1:31). The Bible teaches that every man and woman is created out of love and made in God’s image and likeness (cf. Gen. 1:26.
The United Nations “SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS” (SDGs) have always contained abortion and contraception in the past, and they will in the future.
They will merely use the Pope (and Bishops) in the present for their own goals of population control. :(
Continued: #69: Together with our obligation to use the earth’s goods responsibly, we are called to recognize that other living beings have a value of their own in God’s eyes: “by their mere existence they bless him and give him glory,” and indeed, “the Lord rejoices in all his works.” (Ps 104: 31).
So far I find nothing unbiblical about the encyclical, in fact it quotes Old Testament passages very accurately. Although it mentions global warming, it does not, at least yet, say the cause for it. It seems so far the sister at the conference misquoted Pope Francis if she took his words from the encyclical.
One of the reasons I am reading the encyclical and telling you about her misquote is that if the Catholic man who was upset is hearing a lot of heretical misquotes, he has a reason to be upset, although perhaps the way he expressed it was not the best way to do it. I do not know at this time and will not comment on that now.